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Wish we would see some movement on PTS. Seems like bad poker game. P raised the price and waited to see whose going to fold. Doesn't seem like that many folded.
I know what I want, I just want somebody to give me confirmation and a delivery date!!!
If I get PTS great, if not no biggie...I save $8k or $12k. I'll wait to hear from the US folks on here as they get the news before I pick my SA for a status check.
Thanks Andre! I have a March, 2018 build date and I think (but have to recheck) that my V status is back up to 180. I've made no changes so it should be.
The guy handling CXX in Atlanta has been very difficult to get a hold of. For me anyway. Twice now my SA had to go over his head to complain about his not returning calls. When that happens he immediately contacts me.
He's told me that my build including manual, PTS and CXX have been "approved by Germany" whatever that means.
I've been trying to get him to finalize the dollar amount, but for a week he kept saying that he's waiting for "Germany". Then he was delayed because "Atlanta was closed because of the hurricane" which I'm sure it was. However, yesterday I finally heard from him. He says he has the numbers and will get back to me by this Friday... we'll see.
I know this guy handles CXX, but not sure if he's also the liaison for PTS.
And yes, he confirmed that VIP's are "going through the system right now". As soon as I get any more info I'll let you know.
Dannie
Originally Posted by montoya
Yes, it is a different process than other production orders so we are 'on hold' so to speak at V180 by PAG, it must be 'unlocked' for PCNA to make changes, i.e.- moved to V110. Headlight washers are going away as posted earlier by some in the know, so I think there is some confusion here... DannieK I still need your production month. I haven't changed your status because I am sure it went back to V180 as soon as your dealer made the changes.
Congrats on a late PTS order! I assume you are at V180, and your production date remaining unchanged is consistent with other late orders.
I've updated the list, eagle eyed followers will see one order in green at V215. This is a VIP that is remaining confidential. As reported earlier, the list is being approved in sequence of orders- I assumed that to mean earliest orders to latest, but that is not clear. In any case VIP's get priority so those are clearing first. We should start to see some movement for the non-VIP's soon. I expect it at anytime now so keep a look out.
Wish we would see some movement on PTS. Seems like bad poker game. P raised the price and waited to see whose going to fold. Doesn't seem like that many folded.
I know what I want, I just want somebody to give me confirmation and a delivery date!!!
i think P may be waiting to see how many PTS buyers they lined up will bail due to selecting Touring Package just announced this week. P knew probably since late July when the whole new PTS process started that Touring Package was coming, that they weren't going to offer PTS for it, and that some of the folks who had requested PTS would drop out not just after the price hike but also after Touring Package came out, since many are switching to that and dropping PTS by doing so.
For myself, I'm still undecided but can't stay on fence very long. I bet P is counting on enough drop outs from PTS from these 2 things (price hike and touring package) that they may not have to turn down anyone left standing.
I bet P is counting on enough drop outs from
PTS from these 2 things (price hike and touring
package) that they may not have to turn down
anyone left standing.
Highly unlikely as it would be unprofessional
as a way to run their business. Besides the
V180 'limbo' only applies to PCNA's clients &
not those in other world markets. PAG has
no issue or shyness about saying 'Nein' to
any/all customers re: requests they can't,
or are unwilling, to accommodate. PTS is
no different. The problem now is that those
that bail PTS due to price-shock unnecessarily
are pushed back months from their otherwise
original Fall 2017 built dates. That will leave
many customers disgruntled & pissed! And
we really don't know yet how PAG will prioritize
who gets 'Touring' slots. Maybe PTS drop-outs
will be penalized & get in the back of that line!
I have always said from the beginning that this
was a dubious & odd way to handle the PTS
process for the .2 991 gt3 in the US. It might
be (in the end) a PCNA self-inflicted injury that
negatively affects only US customers! And it
could habe been caused by someone at PCNA
misjudging how PAG would assign to US clients
the coveted PTS slots requested for this market.
Remember that unlike in any other Porsche market,
PCNA set up here an unusual 'request' system in
which EVERY customer with a .2 991 gt3 allocation
could ask for PTS & PCNA would just take all-comers
& pied-piper them merrily into a happy-face conga
line that led them all to...V180 'Limbo' & no further!
It is apparent to me that PCNA did not think through
how this all could disrupt customers built expectations
(e.g. Fall of 2017 production ended for all that requested
PTS...whether they get it, not get it or bailed out!).
And equally bad, it created perhaps unrealistic hopes
(actually more that hope - a real expectation!) that
EVERYONE that requested PTS would ultimately get
it! No one has been yet denied PTS. Not one! Think
about that!
So I hope PCNA has not blown this! I wish everyone
that requested PTS (& is currently in V180 status) that
he/she ultimately get it. But I am concerned. In short,
this is no way to run the PTS business in this important
US market for a leading luxury/sport car company like
Porsche, period/end of story!
Highly unlikely as it would be unprofessional
as a way to run their business. Besides the
V180 'limbo' only applies to PCNA's clients &
not those in other world markets. PAG has
no issue or shyness about saying 'Nein' to
any/all customers re: requests they can't,
or are unwilling, to accommodate. PTS is
no different. The problem now is that those
that bail PTS due to price-shock unnecessarily
are pushed back months from their otherwise
original Fall 2017 built dates. That will leave
many customers disgruntled & pissed! And
we really don't know yet how PAG will prioritize
who gets 'Touring' slots. Maybe PTS drop-outs
will be penalized & get in the back of that line!
I have always said from the beginning that this
was a dubious & odd way to handle the PTS
process for the .2 991 gt3 in the US. It might
be (in the end) a PCNA self-inflicted injury that
negatively affects only US customers! And it
could habe been caused by someone at PCNA
misjudging how PAG would assign to US clients
the coveted PTS slots requested for this market.
Remember that unlike in any other Porsche market,
PCNA set up here an unusual 'request' system in
which EVERY customer with a .2 991 gt3 allocation
could ask for PTS & PCNA would just take all-comers
& pied-piper them merrily into a happy-face conga
line that led them all to...V180 'Limbo' & no further!
It is apparent to me that PCNA did not think through
how this all could disrupt customers built expectations
(e.g. Fall of 2017 production ended for all that requested
PTS...whether they get it, not get it or bailed out!).
And equally bad, it created perhaps unrealistic hopes
(actually more that hope - a real expectation!) that
EVERYONE that requested PTS would ultimately get
it! No one has been yet denied PTS. Not one! Think
about that!
So I hope PCNA has not blown this! I wish everyone
that requested PTS (& is currently in V180 status) that
he/she ultimately get it. But I am concerned. In short,
this is no way to run the PTS business in this important
US market for a leading luxury/sport car company like
Porsche, period/end of story!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
I love it when I am in limbo. It would be boooaring otherwise. Cheers master Eduardo
Thanks Andre! I have a March, 2018 build date and I think (but have to recheck) that my V status is back up to 180. I've made no changes so it should be.
The guy handling CXX in Atlanta has been very difficult to get a hold of. For me anyway. Twice now my SA had to go over his head to complain about his not returning calls. When that happens he immediately contacts me.
He's told me that my build including manual, PTS and CXX have been "approved by Germany" whatever that means.
I've been trying to get him to finalize the dollar amount, but for a week he kept saying that he's waiting for "Germany". Then he was delayed because "Atlanta was closed because of the hurricane" which I'm sure it was. However, yesterday I finally heard from him. He says he has the numbers and will get back to me by this Friday... we'll see.
I know this guy handles CXX, but not sure if he's also the liaison for PTS.
And yes, he confirmed that VIP's are "going through the system right now". As soon as I get any more info I'll let you know.
Dannie
They (Exlusive) have some contact with Germany regarding PTS, but they don't have direct insight into the approval process and specifically how or why your build will be approved or not. They have however been on conference calls with the people in charge of PTS in Germany, so they know more than most. Thanks for your update, it will be on the next update of the list.
Originally Posted by Lapis
i think P may be waiting to see how many PTS buyers they lined up will bail due to selecting Touring Package just announced this week. P knew probably since late July when the whole new PTS process started that Touring Package was coming, that they weren't going to offer PTS for it, and that some of the folks who had requested PTS would drop out not just after the price hike but also after Touring Package came out, since many are switching to that and dropping PTS by doing so.
For myself, I'm still undecided but can't stay on fence very long. I bet P is counting on enough drop outs from PTS from these 2 things (price hike and touring package) that they may not have to turn down anyone left standing.
I agree with Eduardo on this one. I don't think think they scheme that hard to reduce demand for a difficult option. They have bigger fish to fry, like how to sell more Macans and Cayennes!
Originally Posted by Z356
Highly unlikely as it would be unprofessional
as a way to run their business. Besides the
V180 'limbo' only applies to PCNA's clients &
not those in other world markets. PAG has
no issue or shyness about saying 'Nein' to
any/all customers re: requests they can't,
or are unwilling, to accommodate. PTS is
no different. The problem now is that those
that bail PTS due to price-shock unnecessarily
are pushed back months from their otherwise
original Fall 2017 built dates. That will leave
many customers disgruntled & pissed! And
we really don't know yet how PAG will prioritize
who gets 'Touring' slots. Maybe PTS drop-outs
will be penalized & get in the back of that line!
I have always said from the beginning that this
was a dubious & odd way to handle the PTS
process for the .2 991 gt3 in the US. It might
be (in the end) a PCNA self-inflicted injury that
negatively affects only US customers! And it
could habe been caused by someone at PCNA
misjudging how PAG would assign to US clients
the coveted PTS slots requested for this market.
Remember that unlike in any other Porsche market,
PCNA set up here an unusual 'request' system in
which EVERY customer with a .2 991 gt3 allocation
could ask for PTS & PCNA would just take all-comers
& pied-piper them merrily into a happy-face conga
line that led them all to...V180 'Limbo' & no further!
It is apparent to me that PCNA did not think through
how this all could disrupt customers built expectations
(e.g. Fall of 2017 production ended for all that requested
PTS...whether they get it, not get it or bailed out!).
And equally bad, it created perhaps unrealistic hopes
(actually more that hope - a real expectation!) that
EVERYONE that requested PTS would ultimately get
it! No one has been yet denied PTS. Not one! Think
about that!
So I hope PCNA has not blown this! I wish everyone
that requested PTS (& is currently in V180 status) that
he/she ultimately get it. But I am concerned. In short,
this is no way to run the PTS business in this important
US market for a leading luxury/sport car company like
Porsche, period/end of story!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
Well I'm just a keeper of a list, not Pied Piper! (I know you aren't referring to me but just in case others are confused!!! LOL). You know I'm an optimist and other than late additions to the list in the second round that don't have production dates changing, I think most first round allocations will be approved. Those later adds I put more in the hope category by PCNA.
Regardless I've made my points before so I won't belabor them and now we have our bet with improved, improved!!, Javelina wine which sounds much more interesting! I will of course provide an equally tasty wine of your choice from Oregon!
I'm in it to win this PTS game and here to the end. Our consolation prize should anyone "lose" is a confirmed order of a GT3 and maybe one with a touring package, which is looking better all the time, late delivery or otherwise!
09-13-2017, 01:56 PM
