New GT3/GT2RS Leads With/Without ADM
02-07-2018, 11:08 PM
#856
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For GT cars, yes. A customer's name. Dealers cannot order GT cars under the dealer's name to use as 'stock' showroom cars, unlike normal Porsche cars.
To skirt the issue, dealers take the allocations and use unauthorized customer data for the orders to show PCNA that these cars are orders from 'customers'. This is why there are always 'unsold' GT cars sitting in showrooms with some kind of ADM on it at launch. The cover story is always oh the customer backed out. Ferrari dealers are notoriously for doing this.
They used to use employee names but PCNA got smart at some point in time and question the orders. Some are genuine orders from customers with the same name, so those are allow to proceed after some investigation. Much less suspicion if they use real customer data from their database, record will shows those are existing customers ordering new cars.
Porsche personal at Zuffenhausen are always proud of the fact that every GT car build at Zuffenahusen are 'sold' cars, with a customer's name attached to each one. Sort of.
To skirt the issue, dealers take the allocations and use unauthorized customer data for the orders to show PCNA that these cars are orders from 'customers'. This is why there are always 'unsold' GT cars sitting in showrooms with some kind of ADM on it at launch. The cover story is always oh the customer backed out. Ferrari dealers are notoriously for doing this.
They used to use employee names but PCNA got smart at some point in time and question the orders. Some are genuine orders from customers with the same name, so those are allow to proceed after some investigation. Much less suspicion if they use real customer data from their database, record will shows those are existing customers ordering new cars.
Porsche personal at Zuffenhausen are always proud of the fact that every GT car build at Zuffenahusen are 'sold' cars, with a customer's name attached to each one. Sort of.
02-08-2018, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by evilfij
I know of the Grey one here, the riveria, and a viper all for sale.
02-08-2018, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by GiuseppeM
Could you elaborate on this? So allocations are always attached to a “name” say a customer (even if not aware of it) or an employee?
Some VIP guys allow dealer to spec and see what happens
In general the GT cars are a volume reward and some dealers make more money off those than others. It's a choice. On a dealer rep level, some reps want GT cars going to legit customers and some reps think that it's a reward to do what you want.
At the end of the day the marketplace is created with very advanced ideas on exactly how many come to each region, and every guy sees the value/ enjoyment of these cars in their own lens.
Every dealer wants more GT cars but "earning" and "deserving" allocations is the same challenge for dealers and drivers.
02-08-2018, 01:44 AM
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To the poster above- you don't have to be a 918 owner to get a car, you just have to start very early.
Some guys joke about it but like mooty said just call now and put in for 992.
Start now, build some credibility with one dealer. Throw all your eggs into that basket.
You cannot wait for a car to be announced, waffle, and then jump and get msrp - the environment is changed and there are 20 well informed people in your way already.
Some guys joke about it but like mooty said just call now and put in for 992.
Start now, build some credibility with one dealer. Throw all your eggs into that basket.
You cannot wait for a car to be announced, waffle, and then jump and get msrp - the environment is changed and there are 20 well informed people in your way already.
I've been on the list for 992's (with deposits) since 2014.
Not many dealers will go that far out, but I'm glad mine did.
To be honest, I think it's always safe to go one generation out. So if 991.1's are in production, get deposits on 991.2's. If 991.2's are in production (like now), get deposits on 992's. Build a relationship. Treat them with respect (hopefully they're treating you with respect in return / first). And take care of them. They'll take care of you.
02-08-2018, 02:35 AM
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02-08-2018, 02:41 AM
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^ marijuana is now legal.
02-08-2018, 07:27 AM
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All it takes is couple more >5% down days for stocks and it will be raining gt cars at/below msrp. It's all the same trade/bet, like it was ten yrs ago.
02-08-2018, 08:18 AM
#864
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I’d love a GT3 or RS....but even after buying 11 new Porsche’s in 17 years that’s not enough to even get on a list. Even though I like but not love my 2017 GTS.....Porsche and how these dealers work GT cars are fast pushing me away from the brand.
I’m not wanting a GT3 to garage it and resell it...I want to use it and enjoy it for years and then buy another GT car.
I’m now starting to look at other brands.....Porsche and it’s dealer probably could care less anyway. Oh well....
I’m not wanting a GT3 to garage it and resell it...I want to use it and enjoy it for years and then buy another GT car.
I’m now starting to look at other brands.....Porsche and it’s dealer probably could care less anyway. Oh well....
02-08-2018, 08:22 AM
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I’d love a GT3 or RS....but even after buying 11 new Porsche’s in 17 years that’s not enough to even get on a list. Even though I like but not love my 2017 GTS.....Porsche and how these dealers work GT cars are fast pushing me away from the brand.
I’m not wanting a GT3 to garage it and resell it...I want to use it and enjoy it for years and then buy another GT car.
I’m now starting to look at other brands.....Porsche and it’s dealer probably could care less anyway. Oh well....
I’m not wanting a GT3 to garage it and resell it...I want to use it and enjoy it for years and then buy another GT car.
I’m now starting to look at other brands.....Porsche and it’s dealer probably could care less anyway. Oh well....
02-08-2018, 10:11 AM
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^ +1
Porsche, there is NO substitute.
Drive safe,
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Porsche, there is NO substitute.
Drive safe,
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02-08-2018, 11:40 AM
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Good afternoon CJ,
I guess we’ll pretend you and Whoopsy were talking about completely different situations, even though it’s very clear you weren’t.
Let’s move on to another matter. This is specifically about ADM’s, which is the topic of this thread.
I had dinner with someone last night and your name came up. I’d like to ask you a point-blank question: Did you have a friend put GT3 deposits down at multiple Porsche dealerships across the country with the intent of bringing them back to your store to flip?
Friend pays $15K over. Co-list it and/or flip it through Fresno for $25k-$40k over?
Rinse, wash, repeat 4 times in 30 days.
It’s a perfect opportunity for you to squash that rumor. (I hope).
Remember that black GT3 you recently had co-listed with the Auto Gallery a few weeks back with a huge ADM? And now there are 3 more GT3’s being sold through your store with ADM’s?
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post14751318
That’s more than Champion, Beverly Hills and the largest stores in the country. For such an exceptionally small store (4 CPO RDR’s last month), you seem to have more “used” GT3’s with ADM than you do normal CPO sales.
There are people who watch this stuff. They have access to the VIN’s and they know where the cars originate. A few phone calls later, and it’s clear what happened.
You’ve spent an entire year disparaging PCNA and Porsche dealers on these pages about this very subject, and yet here you are - squarely in the middle of multiple GT3 ADM’s.
I’m curious. I thought you were completely against the ADM games?
I guess we’ll pretend you and Whoopsy were talking about completely different situations, even though it’s very clear you weren’t.
Let’s move on to another matter. This is specifically about ADM’s, which is the topic of this thread.
I had dinner with someone last night and your name came up. I’d like to ask you a point-blank question: Did you have a friend put GT3 deposits down at multiple Porsche dealerships across the country with the intent of bringing them back to your store to flip?
Friend pays $15K over. Co-list it and/or flip it through Fresno for $25k-$40k over?
Rinse, wash, repeat 4 times in 30 days.
It’s a perfect opportunity for you to squash that rumor. (I hope).
Remember that black GT3 you recently had co-listed with the Auto Gallery a few weeks back with a huge ADM? And now there are 3 more GT3’s being sold through your store with ADM’s?
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post14751318
That’s more than Champion, Beverly Hills and the largest stores in the country. For such an exceptionally small store (4 CPO RDR’s last month), you seem to have more “used” GT3’s with ADM than you do normal CPO sales.
There are people who watch this stuff. They have access to the VIN’s and they know where the cars originate. A few phone calls later, and it’s clear what happened.
You’ve spent an entire year disparaging PCNA and Porsche dealers on these pages about this very subject, and yet here you are - squarely in the middle of multiple GT3 ADM’s.
I’m curious. I thought you were completely against the ADM games?
02-08-2018, 11:56 AM
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02-08-2018, 11:57 AM
#870
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Originally Posted by evilfij
If a VIP does not want a high demand car, why doesn’t the dealer just cut a deal with the VIP? Order the car, dealer stores it until the hold period is over and then sells it?
It's happened plenty of times.