My 964 C2 Transformation Build Thread
#181
Absolutely agree, for a road/track car it's all about reward and involvement. Speed/power in itself is a very short hit. We become accustomed to it very quickly. and it's not particularly rewarding by comparison.
I'd be interested to see what diff option you chose along with the lock and preload settings. Also what geo settings you finally run.
For the gentlemen who was concerned about the bump steer issues with the stock uprights. This can be mitigated by running a stiff well controlled Spring damper unit and moving the brake bias forward by fitting big red front calipers with 964 turbo discs. The trick is to load the nose of the car under braking and hold it down with a trail into the apex. It will counter any under steer to apex and reduce front axle travel and therefore minimise bump steer effect. It works well in terms of track pace and is fine on the road. In an ideal world the 993RS/Evo setup is preferable but for those keen to keep their 964's as stock as possible it's a fantastic option.
I find yours A really interesting project I look forward to watching it unfold.
Good luck!
I'd be interested to see what diff option you chose along with the lock and preload settings. Also what geo settings you finally run.
For the gentlemen who was concerned about the bump steer issues with the stock uprights. This can be mitigated by running a stiff well controlled Spring damper unit and moving the brake bias forward by fitting big red front calipers with 964 turbo discs. The trick is to load the nose of the car under braking and hold it down with a trail into the apex. It will counter any under steer to apex and reduce front axle travel and therefore minimise bump steer effect. It works well in terms of track pace and is fine on the road. In an ideal world the 993RS/Evo setup is preferable but for those keen to keep their 964's as stock as possible it's a fantastic option.
I find yours A really interesting project I look forward to watching it unfold.
Good luck!
#183
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Do not remove the spare tire. I have seen these cars including the 993 have serious front end collisions with and without the spare in place. The spare is part of the crashworthiness of the car. It is designed to absorb part of the impact. Cars with it in place you can see held up far better than without. Unless you reinforce the tub I would reconsider and then by doing so your savings is not all that great.
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#184
Would this type of bracing be effective after removing the spare tire?
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Race car vs street car.
But it looks cool.
#185
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Rear end almost done. Should be wrapped up tomorrow hopefully no hiccups and then align and setup Friday.
Ignore my nasty OEM exhaust, that is coming off in next step.
Ignore my nasty OEM exhaust, that is coming off in next step.
Last edited by Spyerx; 01-13-2016 at 04:50 PM.
#186
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#187
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So this is the initial work the Joey @ e-motion engineering is doing on the car. I think most will find it's pretty complete. There are probably things I've missed here... but hopefully pics tell more of the story.
This part of the build is getting close to being done, should be done Friday.
Next phase car goes to BBI Autosport where the interior will be stripped, car goes on a serious diet, a back cage will be welded in, seats installed, new light carpet kit, lots of rennline parts installed, light flywheel and new clutch, motor mounts, trans mount, wing, installation of a few body aero bits, exhaust/headers, and probably a couple dozen other things I'm forgetting.
Then car goes for a paint correction and under carriage detail. And then I drive the crap out of it for a while.
Suspension
This part of the build is getting close to being done, should be done Friday.
Next phase car goes to BBI Autosport where the interior will be stripped, car goes on a serious diet, a back cage will be welded in, seats installed, new light carpet kit, lots of rennline parts installed, light flywheel and new clutch, motor mounts, trans mount, wing, installation of a few body aero bits, exhaust/headers, and probably a couple dozen other things I'm forgetting.
Then car goes for a paint correction and under carriage detail. And then I drive the crap out of it for a while.
Suspension
KW Clubsport 2 way
Custom spring rates
Install MSI wheel studs front and rear 52mm f/r with yellow nascar nuts
FRONTCustom spring rates
Install MSI wheel studs front and rear 52mm f/r with yellow nascar nuts
964 RS factory Sway bar + bushings 96434370770/ 96434379207 x2
EVO RS uprights Left: 99334115781 Right: 99334115881
993 inner tie rod monoballs
Modify 993 tie rods, (Weld to eliminate rubber)
993 steering rack bellows
Front Bearings - 99905304104
993 control arm balljoint bolts
Flange bolts for wheel carriers
Steering rack limiters to minimize rubbing at full lock
Lower ball joint below upright - 99334104906 x2
993 Wheel speed sensor use 964 abs wheel
ERP Upper camber plates
ERP Lower control arm inner monoballs
ERP Front outer tie rod w/ bump steer
Tarett Drop links
Rothsport strut brace rsr style
Rothsport Solid steering rack bushings = 33ft lbs torque
Install new short steering rack bolts
REAREVO RS uprights Left: 99334115781 Right: 99334115881
993 inner tie rod monoballs
Modify 993 tie rods, (Weld to eliminate rubber)
993 steering rack bellows
Front Bearings - 99905304104
993 control arm balljoint bolts
Flange bolts for wheel carriers
Steering rack limiters to minimize rubbing at full lock
Lower ball joint below upright - 99334104906 x2
993 Wheel speed sensor use 964 abs wheel
ERP Upper camber plates
ERP Lower control arm inner monoballs
ERP Front outer tie rod w/ bump steer
Tarett Drop links
Rothsport strut brace rsr style
Rothsport Solid steering rack bushings = 33ft lbs torque
Install new short steering rack bolts
964 RS factory Sway bar + bushings 96433370170 / 477411313B x2
Tarett Drop links
ERP Upper shock mount
ERP Monoball spring plates
ERP Swing arm monoball
Brakes Tarett Drop links
ERP Upper shock mount
ERP Monoball spring plates
ERP Swing arm monoball
Brembo GT Kit, 993 - slotted, red, TS20 pads
Brembo GT Kit, 964 - slotted, red, TS20 pads
Brembo fluid
993 master cylinder - 99335591000
993 brake booster - 99335502310
993 master cylinder support bracket - 99335516303
993 booster gasket - 99335530100
BMW brake lines 10mm to 12mm, bend to fit 2x BMW #34326752405
Remove rear proportion valve (pull out innards)
Short and tie up brake sensors
Interior Brembo GT Kit, 964 - slotted, red, TS20 pads
Brembo fluid
993 master cylinder - 99335591000
993 brake booster - 99335502310
993 master cylinder support bracket - 99335516303
993 booster gasket - 99335530100
BMW brake lines 10mm to 12mm, bend to fit 2x BMW #34326752405
Remove rear proportion valve (pull out innards)
Short and tie up brake sensors
Momo mod 07 suede wheel dished
Momo hub adapter for 964 c2
Porsche horn contact ring
Porsche horn button for momo wheel (Fake!)
Install airbag warning bypass for cup cars # 928-612-220-00
Rennline Battery mount for Odyssey 680 7x3x6.5
Voltphreaks VPR-P6 Battery w/SAE Adapters
Engine Momo hub adapter for 964 c2
Porsche horn contact ring
Porsche horn button for momo wheel (Fake!)
Install airbag warning bypass for cup cars # 928-612-220-00
Rennline Battery mount for Odyssey 680 7x3x6.5
Voltphreaks VPR-P6 Battery w/SAE Adapters
993 coils, plugs, protection caps
Remove engine heater fan assembly
Install Rennline heater bypass
Transmission Remove engine heater fan assembly
Install Rennline heater bypass
Replace both rear wheel bearings
Bleed clutch w/ new fluid
Body Bleed clutch w/ new fluid
Front bumper grill (factory) 96450514100
Other Cleaning of A-Arms, parts
Last edited by Spyerx; 01-19-2016 at 12:44 AM.
#188
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So this is the initial work the Joey @ e-motion engineering is doing on the car. I think most will find it's pretty complete. There are probably things I've missed here... but hopefully pics tell more of the story.
This part of the build is getting close to being done, should be done Friday.
Next phase car goes to BBI Autosport where the interior will be stripped, car goes on a serious diet, a back cage will be welded in, seats installed, new light carpet kit, lots of rennline parts installed, light flywheel and new clutch, motor mounts, trans mount, wing, installation of a few body aero bits, exhaust/headers, and probably a couple dozen other things I'm forgetting.
Then car goes for a paint correction and under carriage detail. And then I drive the crap out of it for a while.
Suspension
This part of the build is getting close to being done, should be done Friday.
Next phase car goes to BBI Autosport where the interior will be stripped, car goes on a serious diet, a back cage will be welded in, seats installed, new light carpet kit, lots of rennline parts installed, light flywheel and new clutch, motor mounts, trans mount, wing, installation of a few body aero bits, exhaust/headers, and probably a couple dozen other things I'm forgetting.
Then car goes for a paint correction and under carriage detail. And then I drive the crap out of it for a while.
Suspension
KW Clubsport 2 way
Custom spring rates
Install MSI wheel studs front and rear
FRONTCustom spring rates
Install MSI wheel studs front and rear
964 RS factory Sway bar + bushings 96434370770/ 96434379207 x2
EVO RS uprights Left: 99334115781 Right: 99334115881
993 inner tie rod monoballs
Modify 993 tie rods, (Weld to eliminate rubber)
993 steering rack bellows
Front Bearings - 99905304104
993 control arm balljoint bolts
Flange bolts for wheel carriers
Steering rack limiters to minimize rubbing at full lock
Lower ball joint below upright - 99334104906 x2
993 Wheel speed sensor use 964 abs wheel
ERP Upper camber plates
ERP Lower control arm inner monoballs
ERP Front outer tie rod w/ bump steer
Tarett Drop links
Rothsport strut brace rsr style
Rothsport Solid steering rack bushings = 33ft lbs torque
Install new short steering rack bolts
REAREVO RS uprights Left: 99334115781 Right: 99334115881
993 inner tie rod monoballs
Modify 993 tie rods, (Weld to eliminate rubber)
993 steering rack bellows
Front Bearings - 99905304104
993 control arm balljoint bolts
Flange bolts for wheel carriers
Steering rack limiters to minimize rubbing at full lock
Lower ball joint below upright - 99334104906 x2
993 Wheel speed sensor use 964 abs wheel
ERP Upper camber plates
ERP Lower control arm inner monoballs
ERP Front outer tie rod w/ bump steer
Tarett Drop links
Rothsport strut brace rsr style
Rothsport Solid steering rack bushings = 33ft lbs torque
Install new short steering rack bolts
964 RS factory Sway bar + bushings 96433370170 / 477411313B x2
Tarett Drop links
ERP Upper shock mount
ERP Monoball spring plates
ERP Swing arm monoball
Brakes Tarett Drop links
ERP Upper shock mount
ERP Monoball spring plates
ERP Swing arm monoball
Brembo GT Kit, 993 - slotted, red, TS20 pads
Brembo GT Kit, 964 - slotted, red, TS20 pads
Brembo fluid
993 master cylinder - 99335591000
993 brake booster - 99335502310
993 master cylinder support bracket - 99335516303
993 booster gasket - 99335530100
BMW brake lines 10mm to 12mm, bend to fit 2x BMW #34326752405
Remove rear proportion valve (pull out innards)
Short and tie up brake sensors
Interior Brembo GT Kit, 964 - slotted, red, TS20 pads
Brembo fluid
993 master cylinder - 99335591000
993 brake booster - 99335502310
993 master cylinder support bracket - 99335516303
993 booster gasket - 99335530100
BMW brake lines 10mm to 12mm, bend to fit 2x BMW #34326752405
Remove rear proportion valve (pull out innards)
Short and tie up brake sensors
Momo mod 07 suede wheel dished
Momo hub adapter for 964 c2
Porsche horn contact ring
Porsche horn button for momo wheel (Fake!)
Install airbag warning bypass for cup cars # 928-612-220-00
Rennline Battery mount for Odyssey 680 7x3x6.5
Voltphreaks VPR-P6 Battery w/SAE Adapters
Engine Momo hub adapter for 964 c2
Porsche horn contact ring
Porsche horn button for momo wheel (Fake!)
Install airbag warning bypass for cup cars # 928-612-220-00
Rennline Battery mount for Odyssey 680 7x3x6.5
Voltphreaks VPR-P6 Battery w/SAE Adapters
993 coils, plugs, protection caps
Remove engine heater fan assembly
Install Rennline heater bypass
Transmission Remove engine heater fan assembly
Install Rennline heater bypass
Replace both rear wheel bearings
Bleed clutch w/ new fluid
Body Bleed clutch w/ new fluid
Front bumper grill (factory) 96450514100
Other Cleaning of A-Arms, parts
Welcome to the dark side - the world of air cooled outlaws. Enjoy the drive.
Tim
#189
this is how to mod a car. wow. thanks for sharing.
#190
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Getting closer....
#193
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A couple points:
--rear brake heat shields have been trimmed, lightened up
--front heat shields need to be modified, as they are they interfere with the brake kit - need to dig into this one a bit more - should be able to modify to fit.
--The inner tie rods we modified, there is a thick washer that is spot welded to the shaft and the 'rubber housing' to essentially create the RS type inner tie rod. I will probably replace this with the ERP part once it is available.
--trimmed the shock mount area just a tick to allow for max camber adjustment (when needed!)
--Getting the KW to work right with the ERP uppers wasn't out of the box
--The wheels are very tight on the brake calipers, just about same as on my RS, FLUSH!
--Wheel studs and nuts are PERFECT length!:
--rear brake heat shields have been trimmed, lightened up
--front heat shields need to be modified, as they are they interfere with the brake kit - need to dig into this one a bit more - should be able to modify to fit.
--The inner tie rods we modified, there is a thick washer that is spot welded to the shaft and the 'rubber housing' to essentially create the RS type inner tie rod. I will probably replace this with the ERP part once it is available.
--trimmed the shock mount area just a tick to allow for max camber adjustment (when needed!)
--Getting the KW to work right with the ERP uppers wasn't out of the box
--The wheels are very tight on the brake calipers, just about same as on my RS, FLUSH!
--Wheel studs and nuts are PERFECT length!:
MSI Bullet nose long wheel studs - 52mm 10.0009
MSI Yellow nascar lug nut
MSI Yellow nascar lug nut
Last edited by Spyerx; 01-15-2016 at 12:01 AM.
#195
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I will be putting an RS 3.8 wing on the back for some flair :-) I kind of like the simple look but going to give this a shot.
Thanks!
I will drive it for a couple weeks before I start the next part of this phase.
My GT3RS is a lot of fun, my goal is to make this a sort of older cousin to the way it drives and behaves on street and track.
I'll probably start to alternate a bit for track duty :-)
Go all in or not at all!
P.S. I see a peek of a very famous 964 rally car in the background hanging out in the shop! :-)
Last edited by Spyerx; 01-14-2016 at 05:15 PM.