Great AMERICAN 964s for sale
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Can we change the title of this thread to:
"The Great Bitching and Moaning and Arguing About AMERICAN 964s for Sale Thread"
"The Great Bitching and Moaning and Arguing About AMERICAN 964s for Sale Thread"
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It is very tempting to add a NB twin but I would just end up swapping out the D90s for Cup 1s, adding coilovers and lowering, sourcing some aero mirrors and basically ruining the special all original time capsule that this car appears to be.
I am no expert to it is likely some of the others here will notice things that I haven't but the crests on the Wheel Caps have faded out. My 94 C4 has ~54k miles and the wheel cap crests look perfect. Does this mean the car likely sat in the sun a lot?
I am no expert to it is likely some of the others here will notice things that I haven't but the crests on the Wheel Caps have faded out. My 94 C4 has ~54k miles and the wheel cap crests look perfect. Does this mean the car likely sat in the sun a lot?
The crested caps you see are very hard to come by and worth more than the D90's. These were not an XD4 option on the D90's. These differ from the 993 versions which had black lettering PORSCHE vs gold. The 993 version is easier to come by. These where hand painted and polishing them can easily remove the paint especially the red. Car looks Ok but I have no energy to look it over. It has some need of some paint correction. I don't think the caps have any indication of what the car has been through since these are most likely not original to the car..
LOL, Yes this gets a bit ridiculous but it is an education for the uninitiated to learn about the pitfalls of these cars, which seem to have taken many off guard. I see a lot of these some of them are 300 point concours cars some are salvaged title pieces of chard toast. I admit I'm programmed from years of Concours judging and viewing all cars for sale against a perfect example. I see all vintages of perfect restorations and survivor cars so I expect when someone asks premium dollars they deliver. More and more I see the wool pulled over buyers eyes that have done some serious homework but become emotional and are prayed on by unscrupulous sellers. So yes this will only get worse over time. This is what killed the grey market in the 1980's. Eventually the wolves came out and took crap cars gussied them up and sold them for top dollar until the market became tired of the BS. We allow it to happen then shame on us. IMO.
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Unless you are an expert (and very few of us are), and you buy a $50, 60K, 30 year old used car without having it properly inspected, you get what you deserve. A fool and his money are soon parted has been a saying for thousands of years, and with good reason.
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I absolutely love this color combo too. I looked at the pictures pretty closely almost immediately after the car was listed and I would bet money that the mileage on this car is not accurate. The seats were without question recovered recently as the material looks impossibly new for a 30 year old car and the fitment doesn’t match what I typically see on these cars from the factory. There are also signs of heat damage to the interior which would only happen from long term exposure to sun. The engine bay is way too dirty and I think the car was driven on salt covered roads. Also some engine trim is poorly painted and shouldn’t be which makes me think someone is hiding corrosion. The carpet on the doors looks a bit tired as compared to the carpet in the cockpit. It looks like it’s been through a partial restoration which is fine but at 20k miles it shouldn’t need it.
Marine,
i enjoy learning from you and cobalt. Can you share more specifics on the interior heat damage and the poorly painted engine trim pieces? So I would know how to spot them. Thanks again.
Ryan
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Here’s one to dissect: way more than what I am willing to pay for anything with a soft top. So passed on an instant. Looking forward to the keen reviews....
https://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/51857
https://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/51857
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- The Drivers side seatbelt holder is warped and is discolored which comes across as heavy sun exposure
- The door card has a crack above the window actuator which in itself isn’t a big deal but it appears that the material has shrunk back
- the carpet on the door pockets appears worn/tired as compared to the carpeting on the floor which looks new
- The fan shroud has a clamp around it that looks like someone slathered black paint over it, this should be a plated piece from the factory.
- none of the plated parts in the engine bay retain their original cad plating which is usually a sign of salt exposure, high mileage or both. As a comparison my 70k mile engine still has 98% of its cad plating in place, makes it hard to believe a car with 1/3 the miles could look so rough
- It could be glare but to me the dash appears warped in two spots
- The drivers door seal is cracked (not torn but cracked), not uncommon but it would be on a lower mileage car.
- The paint inside the door sills and surroundings and the paint in the frunk are tired looking and have lost their gloss
None of this would be a deal breaker and most can be resolved without significant expense however I personally believe that none of this should exist on a car that has such low mileage. It would make me question the mileage and look for other signs of potential higher miles. A proper PPI and paint meter would confirm one way or the other.
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Here’s one to dissect: way more than what I am willing to pay for anything with a soft top. So passed on an instant. Looking forward to the keen reviews....
https://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/51857
https://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/51857
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Just saw this one...seems nice but I haven’t had time to really look it over, sunroof delete, low mileage and price seems in line if all checks out:
Edit -
and no bumperettes...
https://myspeeder.com/vehicleDetail/...36f38eb#anchor
Edit -
and no bumperettes...
https://myspeeder.com/vehicleDetail/...36f38eb#anchor
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Here’s one to dissect: way more than what I am willing to pay for anything with a soft top. So passed on an instant. Looking forward to the keen reviews....
https://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/51857
https://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/51857
”Weather you are looking to add to a collection or enjoy a top off Sunday drive, this 964 Targa is perfect for either.”
#6070
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Now correcting people’s grammar? you are something else man, I have to say one of the most dense unlikable characters to come across in the forums. If this forum was properly moderated I’m sure you would have been banned long ago.
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talk about DENSE....I just said I hate correcting grammar...
Read much???
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Here’s one to dissect: way more than what I am willing to pay for anything with a soft top. So passed on an instant. Looking forward to the keen reviews....
https://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/51857
https://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/51857
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By now there is enough info in this thread and others to educate the novice and hopefully fewer people will end up with cars with more needs than the buy in cost.
Last edited by cobalt; 10-26-2019 at 09:34 AM.
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LOL, Yes this gets a bit ridiculous but it is an education for the uninitiated to learn about the pitfalls of these cars, which seem to have taken many off guard. I see a lot of these some of them are 300 point concours cars some are salvaged title pieces of chard toast. I admit I'm programmed from years of Concours judging and viewing all cars for sale against a perfect example. I see all vintages of perfect restorations and survivor cars so I expect when someone asks premium dollars they deliver. More and more I see the wool pulled over buyers eyes that have done some serious homework but become emotional and are prayed on by unscrupulous sellers. So yes this will only get worse over time. This is what killed the grey market in the 1980's. Eventually the wolves came out and took crap cars gussied them up and sold them for top dollar until the market became tired of the BS. We allow it to happen then shame on us. IMO.
What is irritating in this thread is the handful that are constantly throwing personal attacks and jabs at each other... it gets old.
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your way off base here. I didn’t say anything negative about the car in question. I simply pointed out the “just done” statement. Clearly your idea of just done and mine differ.
Please point me to where in the TOS it stipulates one must be a paying member after X number of posts.
Thanks. 🙄
Please point me to where in the TOS it stipulates one must be a paying member after X number of posts.
Thanks. 🙄
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This car is a mid $40's car maybe a up to $49 or $50 in this market but not more. The fact the seller has changed up the story and omitted things is not exactly inspiring.