Marc Shaw

Yeah, well if someone could ship me some front drop-links for my new TRG bar so I can get my car back on the road, I'd supply some for you.

Marc

Eggplant Cab

Thanks
So with the lower 91 AKI is ok. What are the power gains on 91 AKI vs 93aki?
The website says up to 30lbs/ft. I'm assuming with 98 RON/93AKI.

Also on the emissions issue, do you not know about the standards from getting the programming from eg a californian 964, which is different from the 49 other states in emissions?
Of course many who upgrade don't care about emissions, but some who use it as a road car do as changing chips or ECU is a pain (annually).

promax_motorsport

Hi,

All I can say is try one - the timing we use is fairly conservative. It can be advanced further for more power, but we leave some margin becuase not everybody can get the high octane fuel.

Try it, it's only $175.00 - you've only 45 mins of your time to lose fitting it. If you don't like it - just return via regular airmail and I'll refund you.

We offer the same deal on the 968 chip (see 968 forum and 968forums.net). The original 968 chip was not suitable for USA cars, so we developed one that was. Net result - those that had an issue (only a few) got the new chip (as well as keeping the old one). Take a look at the feedback - all were happy. :-)

See magazine articles in Excellence and 9 Magazine. If you need a copy - let me know (via email).

Regards,
Andrew
www.promaxmotorsport.com

MarkD

I need data... just a problem I have. I don't trust my perception of the car's performance... there are too many variables.
I saw a recent article in Excellence (or another one), if I recall correctly, the chip reference was for another model? The one with the dyno graph, right?
I'd like to see that data for the 964. If there were the same improvements, though slight, I'd still go for it. There were other references to "seat of the pants" testing... again, I can't spend $$ based on that kind of info.
Anyhow, thanks for the offer!

promax_motorsport

Hi All,

A reminder that the special Rennlist offer for the ProMAX Motorsport 964 Performance Chip continues until May 31st 2006!

For $175.00 USD (USA/Canada and USD payments only) you get the 964 Performance Chip, Anti-Static wrist band, full revised instructions and a ProMAX Pen!

To order, just send a PayPal for $175.00 USD to andrew@promaxmotorsport.com and post your findings here once you have tried and fitted it. 30 day money back warranty applied.

Have a good day all!

Regards,
Andrew
www.promaxmotorsport.com

PS. For 911 3.2 also, but we just need your chip number (original Bosch one). See testimonials for more info: http://www.promax.uku.co.uk/testimonials.htm

kgorman

Andrew, I think that if you just go get the dyno results done, or get a customer to give out the dyno results you would probably have a bunch of believers. But failing that, I for one am a skeptic. If your website has a 25hp increase noted, how did you calculate that? You must have used a dyno right?

hjcarlin72

I agree! I am ready to buy the MAF conversion if I see some dyno results!!!!

Newbium

I also agree. Dyno results are needed prior to any purchase of the MAF conversion.

promax_motorsport

Hi,

We used a G-TECH accelerometer to calculate the power increases on a known good low mileage car back in 2004. The best we achieved was 24.7 bhp peak gain. The results will vary from car to car, that's why we can't give any guarantees on power and torque because these cars are all over 13 years old now. So, we offer the money back guarantee.

Unfortunately, I don't have a 964 (I used to have the Turbo version a few years back), but trying to get a customer to lend us their car for Dyno testing is difficult as very few are willing. With the 968 there have been many Dyno tests and customers were quite keen to see if the gains were as published. Again we observed considerable variance (worst of 11bhp and best of 22bhp). It also depends on what Dyno you use.

However, I completely accept that this kind of information is necessary to help potential purchasers make an informed decision. Hence, we will somehow try and get the loan of a car. I've got the option of a 911 Carrera 3.2 to test with (gains are very similar for this car). However, the 964 responds better as it can handle more ignition advance.

Something else to consider is this: the chip is not all about just power and torque. There are major improvements to throttle response and drivability as well as mid-range torque spread. These qualities are very worthwhile on their own and are probably the major reason for ProMAX chips being very popular with 944 & 968 drivers. The 928 and 911/964 markets have been more difficult for us.

As soon as I have some results - I'll publish them here. Have a great day all!

Regards,
Andrew
www.promaxmotorsport.com

MarkD

Andrew, you wore me down.
I'm going to pull the trigger on this and see if I can "feel" a difference.
My reasoning: Your comment above regarging throttle response. I notice a "lag" (for lack of a better term) under full throttle around 2K-3K I think. Maybe that will improve or go away... I'll give it a go. If it does and I don't experience issues with our poor quality fuel here in Ca., I'll be happy.

Will contact you later today re. purchase.

Thanks

kgorman

92964, perhaps we can get together and compare and see side by side? Do you hit any of those PCA get togethers for the Diablo region?

MarkD

Kenny, not yet... I joined PCA last year and have seen the emails, just haven't been able to make an event. I will eventually. Good idea on compare although with yours being a coupe and much lighter I'm not sure we could tell much about the chip. I have another idea.
PM sent.

Christer

Please get a before and after dyno done.....you will need to do that anyway to detect these small changes in power. When I had my GHL system fitted a few years back when my car was standard, I did get around 20hp and 20lb/ft increase from around 3000rpm upwards.....but to be honest I struggled to really feel it.....so my advice is dyno all the way........

LeRoux Strydom

Andrew

I live in South Africa, where we get 95 RON fuel inland (1450m altitude where I live) and 97 RON fuel in the coastal areas. SA 964's are ROW spec, but were not fitted with O2 sensors nor cats, and the DME is jumpered to that effect. I assume the DME runs open-looped all the time.

Will your chip work in my car, and can you take advantage of the lack of O2/cat? I can send my ECU number if you wish.

I know that Royal mail will deliver to SA (have received other shipments via RM). Does your USA offer hold for ROW customers?

Thanks,

Le Roux

MarkD

Christer, I have no hope of actually feeling the HP or torque increase, if any. I'm justifying the purchase by hoping for a "smoother" feel under full acceleration... not sure if I will be able to feel that either but I have plans for much swapping of chips to see if I can feel it. I am going to be as objective as possible.
The time and $ to dyno just isn't worth it for me. I'm only playing around.
I have my fingers crossed that our California fuel doesn't cause trouble with detonation. Stupid Ca. enviro. regulations.. grumble grumble....
Hey! worst case I can go buy racing fuel at the 76 station in Manteca!