3 Liter Turbo Registry
01-22-2012 | 12:30 PM
#542
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From: Firestone, Colorado
With the combination of parts I'm using that is the necessary length. I am also able to use the less expensive 2.5 crank and finally use the smaller journal DSM aftermarket rods to aid in strength, weight and oiling. The crank work is only costing $500 so it is less than a core 3.0. If I were starting with a3.0 it would be an even longer stroke.
I have been kicking this around for awhile and seeing micheal mounts work it confirmed my ideas.
I should be able to pull off the whole build for 3500
01-24-2012 | 12:49 PM
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Hopefully you won’t track (road race not drag) it because the factory hardening of the crank surface is worth its weight in gold when it comes to oiling. The only reason I have not had aftermarket custom cranks made is that none of the shops say they can equal the hardening of the stock crank bearing surface.
01-24-2012 | 02:50 PM
#545
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That’s just to make sure that you remove all of the factory surface hardening that came with the crank!
Hopefully you won’t track (road race not drag) it because the factory hardening of the crank surface is worth its weight in gold when it comes to oiling. The only reason I have not had aftermarket custom cranks made is that none of the shops say they can equal the hardening of the stock crank bearing surface.
Hopefully you won’t track (road race not drag) it because the factory hardening of the crank surface is worth its weight in gold when it comes to oiling. The only reason I have not had aftermarket custom cranks made is that none of the shops say they can equal the hardening of the stock crank bearing surface.
I guess I'll find out if the hardening process is up to snuff. I have had this done before to a Chevy crank and it held up well with steel rods. Of course it was a street/drag car so maybe that's why. I'll speak with the crank guy to see what his thoughts are on the hardness and depth. I'm not trying to build a grenade, but if it is, so be it. My money, my time. However, with all that said, I have noticed a fair amount of Porsche grenades listed here over the years, so I'm not overly impressed with the factory oiling capabilities. Just my .02
02-12-2012 | 08:30 PM
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944s2 turbo
Please post about your 3 liter (or otherwise big) 944 turbo motor in the format below. Feel free to include additional details about the motor in your post -- with extra points for pictures -- but be sure to include an entry I can copy into the list in the format below. There is a separate list below for motors in progress, so please make sure to clarify whether the motor is up and running.
Current list of completed motors:
00. ModdedEverything951S, 3.1, Darton Wet, 106, 88, Wossner/Pauter, 2.7, TecGT, VR Cam, VR5
1. Duke, 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, mod 968 variocam, Link G3+, Garrett GT3582R, builder: Duke 514/450 at wheels
2. Diver944, 3.2, Nikasil, 108, 88, JE, 2.7, Vittese, stock, Garret hybrid, 393/480
3. John Torgersen, 3.0,Steel, 104, 88, JE, 2.7, Motec M4 Pro,K27/8, 383HP@15
4. John Torgersen, 3.0,Steel, 104, 88, JE, 2.5, LR/Stg3 MAF, T04 Hybrid, 366HP@15
5. Targa72e, 3.0, Alusil, 104, 968 mod, 968 head, Motronic, T04E, cam and hp n/a
6. Mike O, 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, HMR, 16v, TECgt, HMR turbo, cam and HP n/a
7. SoloRacer, 3.0, 16V, Motec
8. Kasturbo, 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, Mahle/Andial, 2.7, LRS75, VR turbo, Webcam, HP n/a
9. George D 3.1, 105 Nicom, 88.6, Custom Ross Racing, TECGT, 951 cam, 540hp@23psi
10. Arto951 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, Mahle/Andial, 2.7, Holset Turbo, Tatech EMS, dBilas cam
11. Pete96zhn, 3.0 darton mid, Wossner pistons, 944 head, VR EMS, Holset turbo, Standard cam
12. Phlip, 3.0 Darton Dry, 105.5JE pistons, S2 16v head, Autronic SM2 EMS, T3 turbo (R.I.P. 3/15/09)
13. Ski, 2.8, Alusil, 100.5 Ski/Mahle pistons, 88 stroke, 951 head, LR EMS
14. TurboTommy. 3.0, Alusil, 968 mod pistons, 2.7 head, VR EMS, VR turbo, JME cam
15. Weston D., 3.0, Alusil, 968 pistons, 951 head, LR EMS, rest n/a
16. Jason@paragon, factory 968 turbo. Nuff said.
17. Boost Feen, 3.0, Alusil, Tom C/Arias Pistons, 2.7 head, Motronic, LR61 turbo, 951 cam, hp n/a
18. Joel8005 3.2, bore material n/a, JE pistons, 2.7 head, LR EMS, turbo/cam/hp n/a
19. David Floyd, 106mm SFR bores, JE pistons, 951 head, VR EMS, VR4 turbo, cam and hp n/a
20. Jason Judd, 3.0 (?), Mahle pistons, Carillo rods, head n/a, Lindsey Super 75, Autronic
21. ShApe, 3.0, Alusil?, Pauter, JE, LR solid lifter conversion, 2.7 head, Web cam, HP n/a
22. CMF, 3.0, Alusil, PO rods, 88, 951 head mod, VEMS 3.3, webcam, Garrett GT3582, 421.8hp@16psi
23. Corleone, 3.0, Darton MID, JE, 951 head, Link G2, JME solid cam, 449hp/560hp@1/1.25 bar
24. Turbo-Uli, 3.0, 104 Alusil, 88 crank, 16v head, rest n/a
25. Nick_968, 3.0, Alusil, 104, Mahle/Andial, 2.7 head, Motec, VR5 turbo, JME cam, 370/355 @?
26. jm964cab 3.0, Alusil?, JE pistons, KKK28/9, Mafterbuner, APE MAF, cam and hp n/a
27. zagaone, 3.4, 16v. 108mm bore/93mm stroke; electromotive; 493rwhp/486tq @1bar.
28. 968TurboS, 3.0 Nikasil block, Carillo rods, JME 2.7 head, GT3076R
29. Josh B, 3.0, 8V, Mahle, VR EMS, Wasted Spark, VR5Turbo, Pauter, Webcam, LR Solid cam
30. Miles968, 3.0, 16V, Mahle Pistons, PH Custom Rods, PH K29 Turbo
31. tone3721, 3.0, Alusil, 104mm, 88, mahle, 2.7, LR, stock(951), VR3
32. 420WHP944, 2.8, 8V, Carillo Rods, Mahle Pistons, Kokeln Club Turbo, MAP Sensor, 422bhp @1.2 bar
33. dand86951, 104.75 alusil, 88 crank, JE coated, 2.7 head, TEC3, K27/8, Carillo Rods
34. tomjshore, holy grail motor -- factory 3 liter turbo
35. Thom 3.0, 2.7 8v, 104.5 Mahle/andial, 88, SPS turbo, VR EMS
36. A.Anon, 3.2, Nikasil 108 bore, 88 crank, JE pistons, Carrillos, 2.7 8v, VR Maf, 3" exhaust, SPS turbo
37. Fortysixandtwo, 3.0, 968 head, 968 block, Tec-3, Under Pressure Performance turbo
38. apitts73, Lindsay built 3L with everything
39. mikes3.0cabturbo 3.0 16v alusil, 104.5 wossner pistons/wossner rods, 60-1, 4424EMS2.
40. Tom M'Guinn, 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, Mahle/Andial, 2.7, VR, Gomes, VR5, 498/503
41. Urs, 3.0, Carillo, Walh/Mahle, 7mm valve guides, K27
42. JET951, S2 engine, wossner 8.0:1 CR 16V, SFR intake, vitesse stage 5
43. ninfiveone, 3.0 MID, Wossner Pistons, Haltech, VR 8V Sledge head, cam, 415 rwhp @ 20psi
44. tkgb, 104.5 S2, 88 stroke, wössner piston/rods, LR super 75, motronic, 4-1 headers, 408 RWHP at 1.2bar
45. ChrisJ951, S2, Wossner Pistons, Carillos, Spec S3 hybrid, LR Super 65, LR stage 2 head, Webcam
46. SSI Performance, 105S2/88 Nikasil, JE, 2.7 ported , Wossner Rods, Vi-PEC, more, 402/443@17 dynapac
47. 951_VAB, 104mm JE, Carillo, 2.7 worked head, JME cam, LR 75/10/P, LR MAF, 951Max chips
1. RolexNJ, 3.1 MID Wet, Arrow Titanium Rods, Wossner Pistons, 16V, Tec3, VR Stg 5 Turbo, N/A
2. 333pg333, 3.?, 8v, Darton dry, 105, 88, Supertech, CEP, LINK G4, CEP, BW S362
3. thingo, 3.1 Darton MID,custom wossner,16v,FP HTA gt3582,variable cams,motec
4. mickeyoman, LR 3.1, 105 NiCom, 88, JE pistons, Carrillo, 8v LRsolid, LR S75, LR Chips/MAF
5. tconn, 3.0L Alusil 104.5/88, Mahle/Andial, 2.7 head, Tec GT
6. Olli Snellman, 3.0, Alusil, 88, Mahle/Andial 104.5, 2.7 head, Holse turbo, VR EMS, Dbilas cam
7. adrian1, 3L, Mahle 104.5/88
8. spoolin51, 2.8 8v VR cam, GT3076R, Darton Dry sleeves, JE 106mm,LR EMS
9. Grushy, Lindsey-Built 3.0 JE pistons, alusil, solid lifters...
10 Chad951, 968 block, 2.7L 8V head, Alusil, Mahle/Andial 104.5, Carillo, Raceware, WFHG, K26/8/AudiS2 hotside
11 Tom M'Guinn, 89 2.7 block, 105.25 Mahle/Heritage lower compression pistons, Heritage/Milledge big stud kit, 2.7 big valve head
Current list of completed motors:
00. ModdedEverything951S, 3.1, Darton Wet, 106, 88, Wossner/Pauter, 2.7, TecGT, VR Cam, VR5
1. Duke, 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, mod 968 variocam, Link G3+, Garrett GT3582R, builder: Duke 514/450 at wheels
2. Diver944, 3.2, Nikasil, 108, 88, JE, 2.7, Vittese, stock, Garret hybrid, 393/480
3. John Torgersen, 3.0,Steel, 104, 88, JE, 2.7, Motec M4 Pro,K27/8, 383HP@15
4. John Torgersen, 3.0,Steel, 104, 88, JE, 2.5, LR/Stg3 MAF, T04 Hybrid, 366HP@15
5. Targa72e, 3.0, Alusil, 104, 968 mod, 968 head, Motronic, T04E, cam and hp n/a
6. Mike O, 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, HMR, 16v, TECgt, HMR turbo, cam and HP n/a
7. SoloRacer, 3.0, 16V, Motec
8. Kasturbo, 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, Mahle/Andial, 2.7, LRS75, VR turbo, Webcam, HP n/a
9. George D 3.1, 105 Nicom, 88.6, Custom Ross Racing, TECGT, 951 cam, 540hp@23psi
10. Arto951 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, Mahle/Andial, 2.7, Holset Turbo, Tatech EMS, dBilas cam
11. Pete96zhn, 3.0 darton mid, Wossner pistons, 944 head, VR EMS, Holset turbo, Standard cam
12. Phlip, 3.0 Darton Dry, 105.5JE pistons, S2 16v head, Autronic SM2 EMS, T3 turbo (R.I.P. 3/15/09)
13. Ski, 2.8, Alusil, 100.5 Ski/Mahle pistons, 88 stroke, 951 head, LR EMS
14. TurboTommy. 3.0, Alusil, 968 mod pistons, 2.7 head, VR EMS, VR turbo, JME cam
15. Weston D., 3.0, Alusil, 968 pistons, 951 head, LR EMS, rest n/a
16. Jason@paragon, factory 968 turbo. Nuff said.
17. Boost Feen, 3.0, Alusil, Tom C/Arias Pistons, 2.7 head, Motronic, LR61 turbo, 951 cam, hp n/a
18. Joel8005 3.2, bore material n/a, JE pistons, 2.7 head, LR EMS, turbo/cam/hp n/a
19. David Floyd, 106mm SFR bores, JE pistons, 951 head, VR EMS, VR4 turbo, cam and hp n/a
20. Jason Judd, 3.0 (?), Mahle pistons, Carillo rods, head n/a, Lindsey Super 75, Autronic
21. ShApe, 3.0, Alusil?, Pauter, JE, LR solid lifter conversion, 2.7 head, Web cam, HP n/a
22. CMF, 3.0, Alusil, PO rods, 88, 951 head mod, VEMS 3.3, webcam, Garrett GT3582, 421.8hp@16psi
23. Corleone, 3.0, Darton MID, JE, 951 head, Link G2, JME solid cam, 449hp/560hp@1/1.25 bar
24. Turbo-Uli, 3.0, 104 Alusil, 88 crank, 16v head, rest n/a
25. Nick_968, 3.0, Alusil, 104, Mahle/Andial, 2.7 head, Motec, VR5 turbo, JME cam, 370/355 @?
26. jm964cab 3.0, Alusil?, JE pistons, KKK28/9, Mafterbuner, APE MAF, cam and hp n/a
27. zagaone, 3.4, 16v. 108mm bore/93mm stroke; electromotive; 493rwhp/486tq @1bar.
28. 968TurboS, 3.0 Nikasil block, Carillo rods, JME 2.7 head, GT3076R
29. Josh B, 3.0, 8V, Mahle, VR EMS, Wasted Spark, VR5Turbo, Pauter, Webcam, LR Solid cam
30. Miles968, 3.0, 16V, Mahle Pistons, PH Custom Rods, PH K29 Turbo
31. tone3721, 3.0, Alusil, 104mm, 88, mahle, 2.7, LR, stock(951), VR3
32. 420WHP944, 2.8, 8V, Carillo Rods, Mahle Pistons, Kokeln Club Turbo, MAP Sensor, 422bhp @1.2 bar
33. dand86951, 104.75 alusil, 88 crank, JE coated, 2.7 head, TEC3, K27/8, Carillo Rods
34. tomjshore, holy grail motor -- factory 3 liter turbo
35. Thom 3.0, 2.7 8v, 104.5 Mahle/andial, 88, SPS turbo, VR EMS
36. A.Anon, 3.2, Nikasil 108 bore, 88 crank, JE pistons, Carrillos, 2.7 8v, VR Maf, 3" exhaust, SPS turbo
37. Fortysixandtwo, 3.0, 968 head, 968 block, Tec-3, Under Pressure Performance turbo
38. apitts73, Lindsay built 3L with everything
39. mikes3.0cabturbo 3.0 16v alusil, 104.5 wossner pistons/wossner rods, 60-1, 4424EMS2.
40. Tom M'Guinn, 3.0, Alusil, 104.5, 88, Mahle/Andial, 2.7, VR, Gomes, VR5, 498/503
41. Urs, 3.0, Carillo, Walh/Mahle, 7mm valve guides, K27
42. JET951, S2 engine, wossner 8.0:1 CR 16V, SFR intake, vitesse stage 5
43. ninfiveone, 3.0 MID, Wossner Pistons, Haltech, VR 8V Sledge head, cam, 415 rwhp @ 20psi
44. tkgb, 104.5 S2, 88 stroke, wössner piston/rods, LR super 75, motronic, 4-1 headers, 408 RWHP at 1.2bar
45. ChrisJ951, S2, Wossner Pistons, Carillos, Spec S3 hybrid, LR Super 65, LR stage 2 head, Webcam
46. SSI Performance, 105S2/88 Nikasil, JE, 2.7 ported , Wossner Rods, Vi-PEC, more, 402/443@17 dynapac
47. 951_VAB, 104mm JE, Carillo, 2.7 worked head, JME cam, LR 75/10/P, LR MAF, 951Max chips
1. RolexNJ, 3.1 MID Wet, Arrow Titanium Rods, Wossner Pistons, 16V, Tec3, VR Stg 5 Turbo, N/A
2. 333pg333, 3.?, 8v, Darton dry, 105, 88, Supertech, CEP, LINK G4, CEP, BW S362
3. thingo, 3.1 Darton MID,custom wossner,16v,FP HTA gt3582,variable cams,motec
4. mickeyoman, LR 3.1, 105 NiCom, 88, JE pistons, Carrillo, 8v LRsolid, LR S75, LR Chips/MAF
5. tconn, 3.0L Alusil 104.5/88, Mahle/Andial, 2.7 head, Tec GT
6. Olli Snellman, 3.0, Alusil, 88, Mahle/Andial 104.5, 2.7 head, Holse turbo, VR EMS, Dbilas cam
7. adrian1, 3L, Mahle 104.5/88
8. spoolin51, 2.8 8v VR cam, GT3076R, Darton Dry sleeves, JE 106mm,LR EMS
9. Grushy, Lindsey-Built 3.0 JE pistons, alusil, solid lifters...
10 Chad951, 968 block, 2.7L 8V head, Alusil, Mahle/Andial 104.5, Carillo, Raceware, WFHG, K26/8/AudiS2 hotside
11 Tom M'Guinn, 89 2.7 block, 105.25 Mahle/Heritage lower compression pistons, Heritage/Milledge big stud kit, 2.7 big valve head
motor ,8,3:1 cr with 2 widefire ring reinz 2mm inox spacer and raceware studs.Tec3r.930 kkk turbocharger with 62mm Garett impeller,880cc nippo injectors stock intake dry sumped turbocharger.1.6 bar
02-13-2012 | 01:51 AM
#552
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From: Australia
Hey Demetrios, how about some more details and pics of your setup? You should spend the $20 to join this forum and then you can post pics + video etc. Is your car running or are you still building the motor? What hp or kw & torque if it's running.
02-24-2012 | 05:41 PM
#554
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From: Ellijay, Ga
'86 944 turbo
Bore: 106mm dry sleeved
Stroke: 88
Pistons: Pauter
Rods: Pauter
Block: '88 turbo 3.1-ish (106mm)
Head: '86
Turbo: Precision .62
Engine Management: Electromotive Tec-S
Other: lots.. fabspeed 3" hi-flow exhaust, custom powder coated 4-1 headers (SFR), fuel rail (SFR), air intake (SFR), intercooler (SFR), larger upgraded aluminum radiator (SFR), big brake kit, koni coilovers, aluminum race torque tube, raceware head/stud package, 968 throttle body.. just too much to list..
35k (engine, brakes, fuel system, parts, electronics, labor etc) and 1 1/2 years into this build, but hope to have it complete in the next week or 2 at the latest.
Latest little hiccup with a cracked sleeve on #4 cylinder, when 'fixing' it, the machine shop ended up cracking the block and replaced it with an '88 turbo core. sigh..
Pictures below are of the original '86 core. just some shots, thought i'd share
Original block..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780447498/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780447498/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Another shot of the block w/head..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446958/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446958/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Headers before coating..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446838/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446838/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
MmMmmm..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6926564523/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6926564523/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Another mmmmMMmmm..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6926564363/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6926564363/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Further along..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446214/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446214/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
New turbo...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446078/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446078/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Engine in car..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780447758/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780447758/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Bore: 106mm dry sleeved
Stroke: 88
Pistons: Pauter
Rods: Pauter
Block: '88 turbo 3.1-ish (106mm)
Head: '86
Turbo: Precision .62
Engine Management: Electromotive Tec-S
Other: lots.. fabspeed 3" hi-flow exhaust, custom powder coated 4-1 headers (SFR), fuel rail (SFR), air intake (SFR), intercooler (SFR), larger upgraded aluminum radiator (SFR), big brake kit, koni coilovers, aluminum race torque tube, raceware head/stud package, 968 throttle body.. just too much to list..
35k (engine, brakes, fuel system, parts, electronics, labor etc) and 1 1/2 years into this build, but hope to have it complete in the next week or 2 at the latest.
Latest little hiccup with a cracked sleeve on #4 cylinder, when 'fixing' it, the machine shop ended up cracking the block and replaced it with an '88 turbo core. sigh..
Pictures below are of the original '86 core. just some shots, thought i'd share
Original block..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780447498/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780447498/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Another shot of the block w/head..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446958/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446958/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Headers before coating..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446838/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446838/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
MmMmmm..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6926564523/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6926564523/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Another mmmmMMmmm..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6926564363/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6926564363/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Further along..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446214/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446214/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
New turbo...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446078/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780446078/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Engine in car..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780447758/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77278893@N03/6780447758/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/77278893@N03/, on Flickr
Last edited by Scott Plante; 02-25-2012 at 12:24 AM. Reason: linked wrong intake pic, but since it's shown in the last image i'll just remove it
02-24-2012 | 10:51 PM
#555
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From: Just CA Now :)
Looks like it's time to update the list. Looking forward to hearing how it feels when you get it sorted Scott -- and nice first post. Glad to hear Tim is still at it after all.
Anybody know what happened to Rolex and his build? Haven't heard a word in quite a while...?
Anybody know what happened to Rolex and his build? Haven't heard a word in quite a while...?