1981 928 - can you tell me about it?
12-05-2008, 12:08 AM
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question: can you remove the silver trim on the windows without causing problems? leaks etc? how?
12-05-2008, 12:10 AM
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what kind of (front) fenders are on your strosek? are they a new (front) fenders from strosek or just some flares grafted onto the originals?
what kind of front bumper shell?
what kind of rear bumper shell?
what kind of front bumper shell?
what kind of rear bumper shell?
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12-05-2008, 12:47 AM
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the trim on the front windshield is remove-able, but (why?).
the trim on the rear quarter windows is remove-able, without any adverse happenings other than it's supposed to be there.
the trim on the rear hatch can be removed as well (again, why?), but if you have the "S" spoiler, the attaching bolts do go through the hatch--remove the spoiler without plugging the holes and you'll have a rear area full of water when it rains.
as for paint work---(do it yourself)---......I have 30 + hours of labor in my Euro for just paint removal (and removal of body parts for paint prep). if you have rust, there's another serious issue......restoration of the body back to "factory new paint" is very, very expensive as it relates to the actual cost/value of the car. This is one of the most avoided reasons for not buying a 928 with body work/paint issues. if you have a GTS that has paint issues, it makes more sense to invest in it than say a 80 US spec (a $45K car versus a $4k car). you would not put a $10K paint job on a $4k car, but you might put it into a GTS.......
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12-05-2008, 12:47 AM
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ha ha, so what does a porsche mechanic do when you take your early 928 into them and it needs a new power steering rack and internal bushings?
i dont think an entire car has too many parts to list, thats just more snobbery like they say a 944 turbo is so great over a 944na which is total BS. put a $1200 homemade supercharger on a 944na and it will out perform a stock 944 turbo around a short track/autox.
i dont think an entire car has too many parts to list, thats just more snobbery like they say a 944 turbo is so great over a 944na which is total BS. put a $1200 homemade supercharger on a 944na and it will out perform a stock 944 turbo around a short track/autox.
No, it's quite literally a different car. Different body pan(not just the flares), different hatch, Maybe the hood is the same, different fenders and bumpers, different block/crank/rods/pistons/timing belt/sprockets/TB tensioner, different heads(4v vs 2v), different intake, different trans, different: pod, dash, seats(F+R, rear not interchangeable), HVAC, torque tube, headlights, taillights, springs, shocks, brakes, halfshafts(though old & new interchange), front and rear crossmembers, rack, PS pump, cooling fan setup, a-arms, spindles, etc.
Some trans swaps across model years won't work at all because of differences in the floor pans. Some are doable, but require that you also swap the torque tube and/or crossmember. Fenders are interchangeable, except across the 86-87 model year. Early fenders have to be cut to fit later cars.
Really, this is not at all like saying an exhaust-driven leaf blower makes it a different car.
BTW, regarding the rack, a mechanic will usually send out for a rebuilt. Most mechanics are parts changers and will not tear a rack apart -- you may not have noticed this if you've been doing all of you own work. Many rebuilders will just leave the loose bushings in, and let you live with the resulting poor handling and short seal life. I bought mine from 928I, who uses a rebuilder that replaces the bushings by fabricating new ones if needed.
12-05-2008, 01:11 AM
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Snobbery? No, what it is is ignorance on your part. What it is is fact. Ignorance is not a crime, obviously... but it quickly gets annoying if you're not willing to learn a thing or two. BTW, you didn't ask about lap times -- there are 16v cars that can smoke most GTSs. You asked what parts separate a 1981 car from a GTS, that's at least a 91-95 car. I gave you an answer. Your response is actually a bit of reverse snobbery TBH. Call one of the Big 5 and see if they give you a different answer.
No, it's quite literally a different car. Different body pan(not just the flares), different hatch, Maybe the hood is the same, different fenders and bumpers, different block/crank/rods/pistons/timing belt/sprockets/TB tensioner, different heads(4v vs 2v), different intake, different trans, different: pod, dash, seats(F+R, rear not interchangeable), HVAC, torque tube, headlights, taillights, springs, shocks, brakes, halfshafts(though old & new interchange), front and rear crossmembers, rack, PS pump, cooling fan setup, a-arms, spindles, etc.
Some trans swaps across model years won't work at all because of differences in the floor pans. Some are doable, but require that you also swap the torque tube and/or crossmember. Fenders are interchangeable, except across the 86-87 model year. Early fenders have to be cut to fit later cars.
Really, this is not at all like saying an exhaust-driven leaf blower makes it a different car.
BTW, regarding the rack, a mechanic will usually send out for a rebuilt. Most mechanics are parts changers and will not tear a rack apart -- you may not have noticed this if you've been doing all of you own work. Many rebuilders will just leave the loose bushings in, and let you live with the resulting poor handling and short seal life. I bought mine from 928I, who uses a rebuilder that replaces the bushings by fabricating new ones if needed.
No, it's quite literally a different car. Different body pan(not just the flares), different hatch, Maybe the hood is the same, different fenders and bumpers, different block/crank/rods/pistons/timing belt/sprockets/TB tensioner, different heads(4v vs 2v), different intake, different trans, different: pod, dash, seats(F+R, rear not interchangeable), HVAC, torque tube, headlights, taillights, springs, shocks, brakes, halfshafts(though old & new interchange), front and rear crossmembers, rack, PS pump, cooling fan setup, a-arms, spindles, etc.
Some trans swaps across model years won't work at all because of differences in the floor pans. Some are doable, but require that you also swap the torque tube and/or crossmember. Fenders are interchangeable, except across the 86-87 model year. Early fenders have to be cut to fit later cars.
Really, this is not at all like saying an exhaust-driven leaf blower makes it a different car.
BTW, regarding the rack, a mechanic will usually send out for a rebuilt. Most mechanics are parts changers and will not tear a rack apart -- you may not have noticed this if you've been doing all of you own work. Many rebuilders will just leave the loose bushings in, and let you live with the resulting poor handling and short seal life. I bought mine from 928I, who uses a rebuilder that replaces the bushings by fabricating new ones if needed.
i wonder if you can make a 1981 look like the rear of this car:
i see it has
1) strosek hatch
2) gt rear bumper shell (does this fit on a 1981 928?)
3) no silver trim around the rear windows (can i remove it off a 928 rear)
the important thing for me is
1) how the car looks (inside/outside) and what i can easily do (easy means minor body work, some cutting is ok, basically mounting new bumper shells and mirrors and stripping down the interior or using some SEM texture adhesive)
2) how it performs (you can always get aftermarket or custom upgrades [suspension, brakes, engine] that far out perform the 1995 best model 928 so its not much use to use that as the gold standard)
i guess i'm more into restoring and modifying and customizing cars than true pure cars, its just more fun...
12-05-2008, 01:20 AM
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The trim is actually supposed to be black, not silver.
the trim on the front windshield is remove-able, but (why?).
the trim on the rear quarter windows is remove-able, without any adverse happenings other than it's supposed to be there.
the trim on the rear hatch can be removed as well (again, why?), but if you have the "S" spoiler, the attaching bolts do go through the hatch--remove the spoiler without plugging the holes and you'll have a rear area full of water when it rains.
as for paint work---(do it yourself)---......I have 30 + hours of labor in my Euro for just paint removal (and removal of body parts for paint prep). if you have rust, there's another serious issue......restoration of the body back to "factory new paint" is very, very expensive as it relates to the actual cost/value of the car. This is one of the most avoided reasons for not buying a 928 with body work/paint issues. if you have a GTS that has paint issues, it makes more sense to invest in it than say a 80 US spec (a $45K car versus a $4k car). you would not put a $10K paint job on a $4k car, but you might put it into a GTS.......
--Russ
the trim on the front windshield is remove-able, but (why?).
the trim on the rear quarter windows is remove-able, without any adverse happenings other than it's supposed to be there.
the trim on the rear hatch can be removed as well (again, why?), but if you have the "S" spoiler, the attaching bolts do go through the hatch--remove the spoiler without plugging the holes and you'll have a rear area full of water when it rains.
as for paint work---(do it yourself)---......I have 30 + hours of labor in my Euro for just paint removal (and removal of body parts for paint prep). if you have rust, there's another serious issue......restoration of the body back to "factory new paint" is very, very expensive as it relates to the actual cost/value of the car. This is one of the most avoided reasons for not buying a 928 with body work/paint issues. if you have a GTS that has paint issues, it makes more sense to invest in it than say a 80 US spec (a $45K car versus a $4k car). you would not put a $10K paint job on a $4k car, but you might put it into a GTS.......
--Russ
30 hours is only a lot if you are PAYING FOR IT... i would never pay anyone to work on a car unless its something i can't do myself, even then i would trade/barter first.
some people spend years fixing up old cars, it can be relaxing and fun and im not looking for perfection, it doesnt exist, just to learn and experience a 928 (maybe).
my question about body work is how do you fill and patch aluminum? do they sell fiberglass fenders for 928's?
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12-05-2008, 01:20 AM
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Be easy on him guys, he over stayed his welcome in the 944 forum so now it's our turn:
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/460046-is-there-a-way-to-turbo-my-na.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/460046-is-there-a-way-to-turbo-my-na.html
12-05-2008, 01:23 AM
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the quarter window trim is supposed to be black (all of the trim is). silver is what's left after the black is rubbed or faded.....
aluminum (fenders, hood, doors) is usually just replaced with another used panel in better condition (they are available), or filled with fiberglass or body putty (bondo). no fiberglass replacements that I am aware of.....
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12-05-2008, 01:25 AM
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Be easy on him guys, he over stayed his welcome in the 944 forum so now it's our turn:
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=460046
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=460046
12-05-2008, 01:33 AM
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the point here is, if you are going to buy a 928, then do your research......it's not a 944. To say that a 928 is twice as much as a 944 is not really accurate, but it's close.
There's plenty of info to read here and on other forums, so you have your work ahead of you.
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There's plenty of info to read here and on other forums, so you have your work ahead of you.
--Russ
12-05-2008, 01:36 AM
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the quarter window trim is supposed to be black (all of the trim is). silver is what's left after the black is rubbed or faded.....
aluminum (fenders, hood, doors) is usually just replaced with another used panel in better condition (they are available), or filled with fiberglass or body putty (bondo). no fiberglass replacements that I am aware of.....
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aluminum (fenders, hood, doors) is usually just replaced with another used panel in better condition (they are available), or filled with fiberglass or body putty (bondo). no fiberglass replacements that I am aware of.....
--Russ
the car i looked at definitely has some extra 'trim' around the back windows that is chrome that IS NOT on the below shown 928, im 85% sure i'm not mistaken and that is would never be colored black, its not even on the windows, its around the windows, seems to serve no purpose.
im looking for some more pics online that have the trim im talking about...
