Invitation - Timing Belt Party
02-12-2005, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
Oh, one last thing...can somebody bring some PB Blaster or Kroil or whatever super penetrant you like? We're going to need it.
See you in the am.
See you in the am.
02-12-2005, 05:05 AM
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"I was thinking of grilling tri-tip and sausages, have beer and soda, potato salad, and whatever else anyone wants - just name it."
I'd love to attend just send me some return tickets! Seriously doing mine sometime this year it would be great to have a look at the bits/ tips and techniques from the list.
Good luck
I'd love to attend just send me some return tickets! Seriously doing mine sometime this year it would be great to have a look at the bits/ tips and techniques from the list.
Good luck
02-13-2005, 01:49 AM
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Here's a few photos from Beth's Timing Belt Party (BTBP).
Bill and crew doing the job
Ordering parts
The Food
Checking out the engine
The Cars
It's alive!!!
Bill and crew doing the job
Ordering parts
The Food
Checking out the engine
The Cars
It's alive!!!
02-13-2005, 03:12 AM
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Thanks for the pics George.
Yes, it purrs like a happy kitten.
We got off easy today. Once we got the belt covers off, it was obvious someone had recently done the TB/WP. The belt looked brand new, you could read the Porsche lettering on it perfectly, the cam gears were close to perfect, as was the oil pump gear. The WP pulley shined like new. Despite the lack of records, the WP/TB had been done at 45-60K miles (now has 67K), and probably closer to the latter.
Also, we found the likely reason for the TB tension warnings - the wire connector that goes on the tensioner spade had no grip and had fallen off. We actually didn't observe whether it was off before we removed the cover, but it had no grip when we attached it later. Also, the wire broke from the harness later and may have had an internal break already. Dave A. soldered a nice splice. Also, the belt tension before removal measured spot on, further evidence that the fault was in the warning system.
Considering the TB/WP looked like it had been done recently and all the rollers and idlers looked as good as new, we could have just buttoned it up and called it an early day. BUT since there was NO maintenance history on the car, we did the right thing and did a complete job. Besides, we had a crowd of people expecting to see a TB/WP job.
The job proved to be very easy with only the usual hassle with getting the fan shroud out, etc. The crank bolt was not overtorqued, the harmonic balancer wiggled off pretty easily, the WP bolts all gave up their grip without a fight, the gasket (no goop) came off with no residue. BTW, the WP impeller was plastic, proving that it was not original.
All the accessory belts were badly cracked and were replaced after Beth made several visits to Kragen's. Someone had used a Vice-grip on the crank pulley and munched it up pretty good. Fortunately Nicole had slept in and was able to pick up a new one from DEVEK on the way.
Tensioner rebuilt, the new WP with fresh bolts and the new TB were installed. We were off one tooth and walked the belt over the gear teeth into the correct position. Tension checked out with the Kempf and Porsche tool, which was interesting as the Porsche tool gave some inconsistent readings from one try to the next.
Buttoned things up with only a few bolt-versus-hole discrepancies, resolved those, and ended up with no leftover parts.
We took our time and finished at about 5PM, just about as predicted.
A number of hands pitched in and Beth turned the wrench right along with everyone.
A beautiful day for wrenching with a great group of friends.
Thanks for all the food and hospitality, Beth, and for providing a better TB/WP demo candidate than I expected. Visions of broken WP bolts flashed through my head the whole night before, all for naught. Next time, you'll be prepared to do the job yourself. You already have half the parts (rollers, etc.). You could sell the used WP and TB on eBay. :-) And check the tension in 2K miles.
Yes, it purrs like a happy kitten.
We got off easy today. Once we got the belt covers off, it was obvious someone had recently done the TB/WP. The belt looked brand new, you could read the Porsche lettering on it perfectly, the cam gears were close to perfect, as was the oil pump gear. The WP pulley shined like new. Despite the lack of records, the WP/TB had been done at 45-60K miles (now has 67K), and probably closer to the latter.
Also, we found the likely reason for the TB tension warnings - the wire connector that goes on the tensioner spade had no grip and had fallen off. We actually didn't observe whether it was off before we removed the cover, but it had no grip when we attached it later. Also, the wire broke from the harness later and may have had an internal break already. Dave A. soldered a nice splice. Also, the belt tension before removal measured spot on, further evidence that the fault was in the warning system.
Considering the TB/WP looked like it had been done recently and all the rollers and idlers looked as good as new, we could have just buttoned it up and called it an early day. BUT since there was NO maintenance history on the car, we did the right thing and did a complete job. Besides, we had a crowd of people expecting to see a TB/WP job.
The job proved to be very easy with only the usual hassle with getting the fan shroud out, etc. The crank bolt was not overtorqued, the harmonic balancer wiggled off pretty easily, the WP bolts all gave up their grip without a fight, the gasket (no goop) came off with no residue. BTW, the WP impeller was plastic, proving that it was not original.
All the accessory belts were badly cracked and were replaced after Beth made several visits to Kragen's. Someone had used a Vice-grip on the crank pulley and munched it up pretty good. Fortunately Nicole had slept in and was able to pick up a new one from DEVEK on the way.
Tensioner rebuilt, the new WP with fresh bolts and the new TB were installed. We were off one tooth and walked the belt over the gear teeth into the correct position. Tension checked out with the Kempf and Porsche tool, which was interesting as the Porsche tool gave some inconsistent readings from one try to the next.
Buttoned things up with only a few bolt-versus-hole discrepancies, resolved those, and ended up with no leftover parts.
We took our time and finished at about 5PM, just about as predicted.
A number of hands pitched in and Beth turned the wrench right along with everyone.
A beautiful day for wrenching with a great group of friends.
Thanks for all the food and hospitality, Beth, and for providing a better TB/WP demo candidate than I expected. Visions of broken WP bolts flashed through my head the whole night before, all for naught. Next time, you'll be prepared to do the job yourself. You already have half the parts (rollers, etc.). You could sell the used WP and TB on eBay. :-) And check the tension in 2K miles.
Last edited by Bill Ball; 02-13-2005 at 03:50 PM.
02-13-2005, 04:10 AM
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Sounds like a nice day of wrenching!
Isn't it funny, when you plan for the worst it never happens and when you relax thinking that it'll be easy that guy (The Worst) shows up.
So Beth, how many miles has been added to the ODO since took his hands of the car?
Isn't it funny, when you plan for the worst it never happens and when you relax thinking that it'll be easy that guy (The Worst) shows up.
So Beth, how many miles has been added to the ODO since took his hands of the car?
02-13-2005, 04:16 AM
#189
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It was a great day, Big kudos to Hostess & Host(Beth & Rich) for making everyone fell welcome(and fed). Rob stopped by for a Shmurzik... to bad, haven't seen you in a while Rob! Whatcha been up to?
I helped and heckled a bit with Beth's car, and dug into a few issues on Rich's 85:
- There was a minor problem with running lights
- The car needed a new hatch gasket.
- I traced out a problem with the HVAC blower. Fortunately Rich can get a resistor pack and validate my diagnosis without having to pull the HVAC blower YET AGAIN. If I'm right about the problem then he has to pull the blower anyway.
- James(?) cleaned and lubed the hatch latch in the hopes that the remote releases would then work.
Plus we had a lot of fun talking sharks. All in all, a great time!
Bill, that was unfortunate about your wire stripper... hopefully it won't take much to set things right.
See you all again soon!
I helped and heckled a bit with Beth's car, and dug into a few issues on Rich's 85:
- There was a minor problem with running lights
- The car needed a new hatch gasket.
- I traced out a problem with the HVAC blower. Fortunately Rich can get a resistor pack and validate my diagnosis without having to pull the HVAC blower YET AGAIN. If I'm right about the problem then he has to pull the blower anyway.
- James(?) cleaned and lubed the hatch latch in the hopes that the remote releases would then work.
Plus we had a lot of fun talking sharks. All in all, a great time!
Bill, that was unfortunate about your wire stripper... hopefully it won't take much to set things right.
See you all again soon!
02-13-2005, 05:59 AM
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That was fun today - even though I did not see the TB job in too much detail. But it was great to see "y'all" again, talk 928, and educate Beth on the ever important teflon stickers...
I thought it was especially nice that two Roberts, who I had not seen in a long time - were present, and we got to meet Beth's parents, too!
Hope we can do another party soon!
I thought it was especially nice that two Roberts, who I had not seen in a long time - were present, and we got to meet Beth's parents, too!
Hope we can do another party soon!
02-14-2005, 12:15 PM
#195
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Beth and Rich,
Thanks for having me over to hang out while everyone did shark repairs. It was a fun day with some awesome food. Those German sausages and sauerkraut were awesome!!!! Had a great time.
Regards,
Thanks for having me over to hang out while everyone did shark repairs. It was a fun day with some awesome food. Those German sausages and sauerkraut were awesome!!!! Had a great time.
Regards,