TOporschefan

Manifold yes you nailed it-PDK sport only noticeable when driven in auto mode. When I drive I usually have it in PDK sport but I do a combo of paddle shifting but when I am doing aggressive driving I leave it in auto mode. The downshifts are brilliant and aggressive at almost any speed. It will down shift several gears in a short period of time which I cannot get the car to do even in manual mode. So lovely, go give it a try. So much to unfold in this amazing car. My 991.2 RS did not down shift as aggressively in pdk sport as this car does.

Manifold

I always run my PDK cars in manual mode on track. It's more engaging and fun, and I like to be in control of, and know, when the car is going to shift. Nice thing with PDK, as compared to a regular manual, is that there's no possibility of overrevving the engine or locking up the rear tires due to mis-shifting.

vantage

I know the feeling. I live near a very popular driving road area, so literally my oil is barely up to temp by the time I get to the fun part of the road. I used to go once a week. But now my GT4 hasn't been driven since the last track day a month ago and I decided not to drive it again until this weekend's.

Do you still find the 992 GT3 on equal footing with the GT4 RS for street driving? I am somewhat more attracted to the 992 GT3 since I think it might be more civil for commuting to the track and back.

BTW, Lotus are all very fun in canyon roads. You feel like a lot is going on at even 4/10ths. I could certainly see an Emira being more fun in the canyons, particularly if it's bumpy, other than the engine.

mrd_spy

but the build is low rent and the C of G too high in the car. it's not a great car imo.It don't really show a GT4 anything imo bar how slow it is !

JAhmed

Interior quality is not up to Porsche standards, but it’s a far cry from the Elises and Evoras of old.

From a steering response/feel standpoint, it is certainly superior to the GT4. The stock damping has a closer mission statement to a CGTS, so not really worth comparing to the GT4.

Mr. Adair

Curious. I know many instructors who say auto mode is so accurate that the shift points can be learned more accurately than manual shifting? I can see the advantage for newbies like me but it sounds like you don't necessarily agree?

Ksdaoski

I had about 185 laps around Road America LY in the GT4rs. It's classified as 14 turns, with ~10 braking points.
I only remember half a dozen times in which the auto setup was in the wrong gear, or a different gear than I would have wanted.
Specifically around turn 13. Turn 13 is a little tricky, you're coming out of 12 and accelerating, going uphill, curves to the right, hit triple digits, then need to slow down as it curves to the left and back to the right. ~60mph to ~100mph to ~90mph and then back up to ~115mph. So its right between 3rd and 4th. It will actually bounce off the limiter and hold 3rd, which is what I prefer. But a few times it would shift to 4 "early" and hold, and then I felt under powered going into 14.


I would have to bust out the video to count the number of upshifts and downshifts per lap; even then, I would probably get it wrong, as the PDK will go from 6 to 3 so quickly.

I'm not a pro. Maybe manual would have been more engaging. But I didn't experience a whole lot in-accuracies while in auto mode, while on the track.

I actually just watched another GT4rs track video on Road America. I think I counted 31 upshifts or downshifts, one one lap.

So that would put my upshift/downshift total somewhere in the 5500-5750 range. And maybe 6 times I wasn't happy with the selection? Not too bad.

edit: I know the issue was turn 13, but maybe I'm getting the gears wrong, its been awhile and I'm on pain-meds!

Manifold

Auto mode works fine, but if you want to have fun on the track and really connect with the car, I think that manual mode is much better. It's not really about lap time, it's about having fun and learning. Also, pros typically use the paddles.

Manifold

I took the 4RS to get full PPF today, so I'll be without the car for a week. I'll miss it.

The drive to the shop was kind of boring because there was a lot of traffic on the otherwise nice country roads, so I had few opportunities to get the car really going. I drove my McLaren 570 back from the shop, so that I could compare the two cars.

Part of my motivation for getting the 4RS is that I wanted to get Porsche's car which might come closest to being like the McLaren (mid-engine, high performance level). But I think the cars are actually not very similar, and McLaren and Porsche are like different restaurants with different cuisines.

I'm pretty sure the lap time of the 4RS on track will be faster than the 570, even on equal tires, and I expect that the 4RS will be more durable and reliable on track. That's a win for the 4RS. But on the road, I think I'll enjoy the 570 more on most days. To compare them:

- 570 has more steering feel (hydraulic) and sharper steering; 4RS steering felt a bit heavy today, which may contribute to the car feeling a bit heavy (which it is not)

- 570 has more playful handling and it's easier to approach the limit safely (especially on 4S tires), whereas the 4RS feels like 'too much' grip on the road (it should be substantially less grip with a tire like the 4S)

- 570 feels lighter

- 570 is plenty loud when you wind it up and I love the sound, but not as loud as the 4RS

- 570 has a lot more torque and power, and therefore more brutal acceleration

- 570 has a lower seating position, closer to a go kart feeling

- 570 has better ride quality, and more adjustability of the damping

- 570 has more adjustability of the shifting, ranging from calm to jolting

In short, 4RS is a potent and intense track weapon that you can have some fun with on the road, whereas the 570 is a fun and fast exotic road car that you could try sometimes taking to the track.

Manifold

I've only done the one day where I drove the 4RS and GT3 the same day, and I haven't driven the GT3 much lately.

GT3 is definitely more civilized for daily driving based on sound level, though I would still give a win to the 4RS for ride quality because it doesn't tramline like the GT3 does.

I also think that perhaps the handling of the GT3 is more 'interesting' on the road because the front end is sharper than the 4RS, yet it still has the dynamics of a 911 where you have to pay some attention to managing the load at the front in corner entry, and then you can enjoy the traction in corner exit. It's a kind of dance unique to 911s. I'll offer further comparison when I've had more chance to drive them the same day. There's not much dancing with the 4RS in corners until you're starting to approach the limit, which requires going quite fast.

I definitely need to try a Lotus.

Eric5280

You have the best cars in the world. Probably hard to choose a favorite. Very cool

TOporschefan

I understand what you are saying but nothing beats the downshift from 6-3 on hard braking....manually you cannot make it shift that fast.

Manifold

Thanks! I think I have some very good to great cars, but there are definitely a lot of equal or better cars out there that I don't have, most of which are beyond my budget.

168glhs1986

Why are you needing to shift that fast coming into a braking zone at the end of a long straight? These aren't F1 cars. Most tracks with 160 mph striaghts it will take a street car 4 seconds ish from brake initiation to apex. Are you getting additional braking from the engine? If so I really don't want that, unless I know exactly what it's going to do and when, everytime. I want to control the brake zone myself.

Manifold

Yeah, I've never not been able to get all of my downshifts done manually in a braking zone.