GT4 RS Allocation Thread
12-10-2021 | 08:16 PM
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12-11-2021 | 12:24 AM
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I am the one that rely that news. 200 cars for Canada one the 2 year production period.
Traditionally USA gets 10x the number of Canada, which puts US allocations at 2000 cars over 2 years.
Out of the initial '300' 918 VIPs, well they didn't start off with 300 in the first place. Many have bought multiple 918s so the actual number was closer to 280. Of those many have since sold their cars. They needed to hold onto the 918 for 3 years to get the full 10 years of VIP program. Also, some have been kicked out because of abuse. The total 'VIPs' number dramatically drops to below 200. I believe at last count the program only have ~160 customers left, closer to 150 than 160.
Per the VIP program, each 918 VIP is entitled to one car per model. For limited number cars it goes by seniority, as in how early they had ordered the 918. While PCNA is servicing the 918 VIPs first, it only amounts to ~150 cars. small fraction of the total production. Those should be quickly settled soon and the allocations will flow to dealers to be handed out.
Traditionally USA gets 10x the number of Canada, which puts US allocations at 2000 cars over 2 years.
Out of the initial '300' 918 VIPs, well they didn't start off with 300 in the first place. Many have bought multiple 918s so the actual number was closer to 280. Of those many have since sold their cars. They needed to hold onto the 918 for 3 years to get the full 10 years of VIP program. Also, some have been kicked out because of abuse. The total 'VIPs' number dramatically drops to below 200. I believe at last count the program only have ~160 customers left, closer to 150 than 160.
Per the VIP program, each 918 VIP is entitled to one car per model. For limited number cars it goes by seniority, as in how early they had ordered the 918. While PCNA is servicing the 918 VIPs first, it only amounts to ~150 cars. small fraction of the total production. Those should be quickly settled soon and the allocations will flow to dealers to be handed out.
12-11-2021 | 03:46 AM
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Face it, if the dealers are doing the allocations instead of PCNA, it would just goes to the highest bidders who will flip them for even more. Or some 'collectors' that just going to buy something and park it. Neither have any intention to actually drive the cars.
Of the 860 or so original 918 owners, I have met or known or have contact with ~270 of them. Outside of Porsche itself, no one else have more contacts with 918 owners. I can safely say among the 270 that I have made contact, from Canada to USA to Mexico to Europe to Japan to Taiwan to China, only 10 or so do not drive their cars and just buy and park them. Yo would be surprised by how much a typical 918 owner drive their cars. Or how HARD they drive their cars. My own 918 has ~24,000km on it and I also cracked 300km/hr somewhere here in North America, did over 1000km track miles on my track, Area 27, did round trips from Vancouver to Vegas, LA to SF also, and as you can see from my profile pic, I took my GT2RS on the Nurburgring Ring during European Delivery, on top of a 2800km road trip. My Exclusive? It spent 4 months in Europe racking up 3000km. I also took my 911R on a European delivery in winter, drove from Leipzig to Maranello to visit Ferrari and back to Stuttgart, put on 2500km in winter condition. It's super insulting for you to think 918 owners aren't car guys. If you think every 918 owner is like Manny Khoshbin, a poser, you are very wrong.
918 VIPs aren't the bad guys. They are mostly the car guys that Porsche wanted. Your dealer and just about every other dealers are the bad guys. They only see their profit and not how they build relationships.
I have known and see plenty US dealer principals. Good ones I can count on one hand. Porsche Fresno is one, CJ is a dear friend, and he is active here in the forum also. Porsche Santa Barbara would be another that I know is run by a decent human being. A pity they are on the small side and do't get enough allocations.
You dealer mostly isn't your friend. He/she/they/it is just someone that just want your money, and more on top. It's how they stay in business.
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12-11-2021 | 07:40 AM
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Which is why PCNA took control instead of having the dealers do their ADM games and what nots.
Face it, if the dealers are doing the allocations instead of PCNA, it would just goes to the highest bidders who will flip them for even more. Or some 'collectors' that just going to buy something and park it. Neither have any intention to actually drive the cars.
Of the 860 or so original 918 owners, I have met or known or have contact with ~270 of them. Outside of Porsche itself, no one else have more contacts with 918 owners. I can safely say among the 270 that I have made contact, from Canada to USA to Mexico to Europe to Japan to Taiwan to China, only 10 or so do not drive their cars and just buy and park them. Yo would be surprised by how much a typical 918 owner drive their cars. Or how HARD they drive their cars. My own 918 has ~24,000km on it and I also cracked 300km/hr somewhere here in North America, did over 1000km track miles on my track, Area 27, did round trips from Vancouver to Vegas, LA to SF also, and as you can see from my profile pic, I took my GT2RS on the Nurburgring Ring during European Delivery, on top of a 2800km road trip. My Exclusive? It spent 4 months in Europe racking up 3000km. I also took my 911R on a European delivery in winter, drove from Leipzig to Maranello to visit Ferrari and back to Stuttgart, put on 2500km in winter condition. It's super insulting for you to think 918 owners aren't car guys. If you think every 918 owner is like Manny Khoshbin, a poser, you are very wrong.
918 VIPs aren't the bad guys. They are mostly the car guys that Porsche wanted. Your dealer and just about every other dealers are the bad guys. They only see their profit and not how they build relationships.
I have known and see plenty US dealer principals. Good ones I can count on one hand. Porsche Fresno is one, CJ is a dear friend, and he is active here in the forum also. Porsche Santa Barbara would be another that I know is run by a decent human being. A pity they are on the small side and do't get enough allocations.
You dealer mostly isn't your friend. He/she/they/it is just someone that just want your money, and more on top. It's how they stay in business.
Face it, if the dealers are doing the allocations instead of PCNA, it would just goes to the highest bidders who will flip them for even more. Or some 'collectors' that just going to buy something and park it. Neither have any intention to actually drive the cars.
Of the 860 or so original 918 owners, I have met or known or have contact with ~270 of them. Outside of Porsche itself, no one else have more contacts with 918 owners. I can safely say among the 270 that I have made contact, from Canada to USA to Mexico to Europe to Japan to Taiwan to China, only 10 or so do not drive their cars and just buy and park them. Yo would be surprised by how much a typical 918 owner drive their cars. Or how HARD they drive their cars. My own 918 has ~24,000km on it and I also cracked 300km/hr somewhere here in North America, did over 1000km track miles on my track, Area 27, did round trips from Vancouver to Vegas, LA to SF also, and as you can see from my profile pic, I took my GT2RS on the Nurburgring Ring during European Delivery, on top of a 2800km road trip. My Exclusive? It spent 4 months in Europe racking up 3000km. I also took my 911R on a European delivery in winter, drove from Leipzig to Maranello to visit Ferrari and back to Stuttgart, put on 2500km in winter condition. It's super insulting for you to think 918 owners aren't car guys. If you think every 918 owner is like Manny Khoshbin, a poser, you are very wrong.
918 VIPs aren't the bad guys. They are mostly the car guys that Porsche wanted. Your dealer and just about every other dealers are the bad guys. They only see their profit and not how they build relationships.
I have known and see plenty US dealer principals. Good ones I can count on one hand. Porsche Fresno is one, CJ is a dear friend, and he is active here in the forum also. Porsche Santa Barbara would be another that I know is run by a decent human being. A pity they are on the small side and do't get enough allocations.
You dealer mostly isn't your friend. He/she/they/it is just someone that just want your money, and more on top. It's how they stay in business.
12-11-2021 | 09:23 AM
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I wasn’t personally attacking anyone. It’s a generalization shared by many including the dealer. Just like the generalization that dealers will only sell to the highest bidder and aren’t your friend. You definitely don’t know mine, they have never charged me ADM and only sell to local customers.
Quite a few are happy they bought a 918 just so they don't have the play games with dealers on allocations.
Dealers still get credits for selling the VIP allocations, but they don't have a say on who they want the allocations to go to.
Your dealer is one of the few that's a good one then.
12-12-2021 | 02:30 AM
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Which is why PCNA took control instead of having the dealers do their ADM games and what nots.
Face it, if the dealers are doing the allocations instead of PCNA, it would just goes to the highest bidders who will flip them for even more. Or some 'collectors' that just going to buy something and park it. Neither have any intention to actually drive the cars.
Of the 860 or so original 918 owners, I have met or known or have contact with ~270 of them. Outside of Porsche itself, no one else have more contacts with 918 owners. I can safely say among the 270 that I have made contact, from Canada to USA to Mexico to Europe to Japan to Taiwan to China, only 10 or so do not drive their cars and just buy and park them. Yo would be surprised by how much a typical 918 owner drive their cars. Or how HARD they drive their cars. My own 918 has ~24,000km on it and I also cracked 300km/hr somewhere here in North America, did over 1000km track miles on my track, Area 27, did round trips from Vancouver to Vegas, LA to SF also, and as you can see from my profile pic, I took my GT2RS on the Nurburgring Ring during European Delivery, on top of a 2800km road trip. My Exclusive? It spent 4 months in Europe racking up 3000km. I also took my 911R on a European delivery in winter, drove from Leipzig to Maranello to visit Ferrari and back to Stuttgart, put on 2500km in winter condition. It's super insulting for you to think 918 owners aren't car guys. If you think every 918 owner is like Manny Khoshbin, a poser, you are very wrong.
918 VIPs aren't the bad guys. They are mostly the car guys that Porsche wanted. Your dealer and just about every other dealers are the bad guys. They only see their profit and not how they build relationships.
I have known and see plenty US dealer principals. Good ones I can count on one hand. Porsche Fresno is one, CJ is a dear friend, and he is active here in the forum also. Porsche Santa Barbara would be another that I know is run by a decent human being. A pity they are on the small side and do't get enough allocations.
You dealer mostly isn't your friend. He/she/they/it is just someone that just want your money, and more on top. It's how they stay in business.
Face it, if the dealers are doing the allocations instead of PCNA, it would just goes to the highest bidders who will flip them for even more. Or some 'collectors' that just going to buy something and park it. Neither have any intention to actually drive the cars.
Of the 860 or so original 918 owners, I have met or known or have contact with ~270 of them. Outside of Porsche itself, no one else have more contacts with 918 owners. I can safely say among the 270 that I have made contact, from Canada to USA to Mexico to Europe to Japan to Taiwan to China, only 10 or so do not drive their cars and just buy and park them. Yo would be surprised by how much a typical 918 owner drive their cars. Or how HARD they drive their cars. My own 918 has ~24,000km on it and I also cracked 300km/hr somewhere here in North America, did over 1000km track miles on my track, Area 27, did round trips from Vancouver to Vegas, LA to SF also, and as you can see from my profile pic, I took my GT2RS on the Nurburgring Ring during European Delivery, on top of a 2800km road trip. My Exclusive? It spent 4 months in Europe racking up 3000km. I also took my 911R on a European delivery in winter, drove from Leipzig to Maranello to visit Ferrari and back to Stuttgart, put on 2500km in winter condition. It's super insulting for you to think 918 owners aren't car guys. If you think every 918 owner is like Manny Khoshbin, a poser, you are very wrong.
918 VIPs aren't the bad guys. They are mostly the car guys that Porsche wanted. Your dealer and just about every other dealers are the bad guys. They only see their profit and not how they build relationships.
I have known and see plenty US dealer principals. Good ones I can count on one hand. Porsche Fresno is one, CJ is a dear friend, and he is active here in the forum also. Porsche Santa Barbara would be another that I know is run by a decent human being. A pity they are on the small side and do't get enough allocations.
You dealer mostly isn't your friend. He/she/they/it is just someone that just want your money, and more on top. It's how they stay in business.
12-12-2021 | 12:58 PM
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The problem is that the majority of US dealers are now owned by larger corporations like Auto Nation, Sonic, Penske, etc. who don't value you relationships but then there are non corporate owned store like Gaudin, Walters, Rusnak, etc that are just as bad. You are right there are probably a few dozen US dealers that actually value a relationship over short term ADMs and I'm happy that I have a relationship with one.
12-12-2021 | 03:30 PM
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Blah blah blah ADM, blah blah blah dealers bad, blah blah blah loyalty blah blah blah…
Except, on Rennlist, replace blah, blah, blah with whine, whine, whine…
Can we make like the GT3 forum and just dump all ADM threads into a single thread and make it a sticky, so all the whiners can commiserate there?
Except, on Rennlist, replace blah, blah, blah with whine, whine, whine…
Can we make like the GT3 forum and just dump all ADM threads into a single thread and make it a sticky, so all the whiners can commiserate there?
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I had to chuckle a bit, but he said only 200 cars for the US which would be very surprising if there is that few.
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12-14-2021 | 12:10 PM
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12-14-2021 | 12:27 PM
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I mean....I don't believe this dealer at all. 200? They made more GT4 Clubsports in 2016 than that, there's no way I only believe 200 are coming to the US for 2022. If that were the case I don't think a single dealer would get a allocation it would all be done by PCNA.