electron mike

Interesting, what race series requires the street car equivalent in order to use it in the race series? The previous 718 GT4 clubsport had a different engine (425 HP 3.8L F6) and different aero/brakes/suspension/etc from the road car.

steve0827

That's part of the GT4 (and GT3, GTE, etc.) formula. The race cars are based on the street cars. They don't have to have street parts on them, but suspension mounting locations, engines, body design, etc. will be very similar, if not the same, to the street car. Part of the homologation with the SRO, IMSA, etc.

^Very condensed answer to your question.

electron mike

Sure, but my question is do they really need a GT4RS to homologate parts/car for a specific race series? This could impact the production plans if so as they wouldn't need as many cars if it's just really a homologation special. Last year they homologated a GT4 CS from the base GT4 which had a different engine and transmission... so I'm wondering if there is indeed something different this year requiring the GT4RS to homologate the GT4RS CS for racing? It would seem they don't need it for the GT3 engine as last years CS didn't have the same engine either.

thuggo

Yes they really need the 4RS for GS in IMSA and G4 in FIA.

2slow2speed

The engine on the 718 GT4 CS for all practical purposes was the engine on the 981 GT4 CS with some modifications. So the engine was already homologated.

ldamelio

FWIW, my SA said that they are going to build all of their GT4RS allocations to dealer spec. Implication was that they would then put them in the showroom with hefty ADM and see what sticks. Not sure how the hyper-VIPs will feel about that.

raymort

What dealership is that?

electron mike

Ugg, then they certainly don't need to produce a bunch of cars if that was their main goal. I guess we will see how many are made with all the supply constraints.

thuggo

That SA/Dealer can get ****ed. This likely means they'll build them to as close as they can to 200k....and then throw a 100k+ adm on it. The GT4RS is cool....but its not a 300k(the more I look at it, outside of the engine its not a 160k) car....hell the 992 GT3 is not a 300k car. Pure greed at this point.

raymort

Not sure why you think they would necessarily load them up. They will make more profit on the ADM than splitting the option items with PAG.

steve0827

this^. They're trying to make a more competitive car and part of that was the GT3 motor and better aero. Hence the new production car.

thuggo

"Greed". Especially with how the market is right now.

Whoopsy

Which means your dealer will be lying to PCNA about who the real customer of the ordered cars are. They will be putting in bogus customer orders into the system. They should be reported and punished.

TXshaggy

Are you saying dealers can’t order spec or inventory cars? GT4RS only?

Seems like this has been a common practice forever.

pfbz

The amount of speculative digital ink spilled regarding the 4RS is just stunning...

First endless debate on if it would get the GT3 engine, ~500HP, PDK only, etc. ("Will never happen", "Absolutely"), rinse, repeat... And now the constant noise on production volume and allocations ("200", "2,000", "VIP's only", "Everyone who wants one"). It's becoming less entertaining every day,..

I'm just waiting for 1) the actual US allocations to drop and hopefully 2) the confirmation that my local dealer holds their long-standing policy of no ADM plus 3) build quantities that indicate my low number slot is going to make the cut.

If not, I''ll be sad, but definitely not even considering $50K+ ADM's or resale markups for a 4RS. I'd rather enjoy my current 911s and perhaps add something like a 650S if the 4RS isn't obtainable under original pretenses...