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Old 03-30-2021 | 10:27 PM
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it seems only Stuttgart factory got the defective con- rod; those from Osnabrück factory are not susceptible to this material defect. NHTSA covers NA region only, not sure RoW list share the same characteristic.
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Old 03-31-2021 | 03:39 AM
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Just noticed as I was going through the data sheet that shows the VN affected by the suspension and con rod stop sale that only 1 Spyder is affected by the suspension stop sale. Crazy how only one Spyder and not a batch of Spyders got affected.
Old 03-31-2021 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by halfmonkey
Just noticed as I was going through the data sheet that shows the VN affected by the suspension and con rod stop sale that only 1 Spyder is affected by the suspension stop sale. Crazy how only one Spyder and not a batch of Spyders got affected.
I wish I were that Spyder with only a suspension bolt issue. That is a relatively easy fix, but alas, my VIN belongs on the darker side of conrod defective bolt
Old 03-31-2021 | 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 808c2s
I wish I were that Spyder with only a suspension bolt issue. That is a relatively easy fix, but alas, my VIN belongs on the darker side of conrod defective bolt
Sorry to hear that you're one of the con rod affected cars. Hopefully it's fixed sooner, rather than later for all of those affected.
Old 03-31-2021 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by tthellott T
it seems only Stuttgart factory got the defective con- rod; those from Osnabrück factory are not susceptible to this material defect. NHTSA covers NA region only, not sure RoW list share the same characteristic.

That's true but since the VIN number range is consecutive is there something on VINs that designate US cars and not the last digits?
I can't imagine they reserved all those consecutive numbers just for the US.
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Originally Posted by hf1
Well someone has to be first, by definition.
2020s where the first ones and they are excluded from this recall.......the supplier screw it big time on this one after a good start.
Ohhh forgot some of the 2020s had the fuel line recall......
Old 03-31-2021 | 08:10 AM
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Old 03-31-2021 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hf1
Yes, I was aware of these. Still not sure how they determined that this failure mode is exclusive to this particular batch of con rods and that it is solely caused by their imperfect manufacture and not by a confluence of other factors (including bad design), as well. They could also be unsure about this but, of course, it wouldn't be in their interest to share. Yet another confirmation of the old adage to avoid buying the first iteration of any product lest you end up being a beta-tester on your own dime.
You think Porsche, after all these years of designing motors, suddenly produced a flawed design of a con rod, one that is likely identical or near to designs they’ve been running in other motors for years? Any other ridiculous speculation you wanna throw in the mix to support your claim of sticking with your 1983 Boxster instead of buying a new one?

This is a supplier manufacturing error, plain and simple.
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Old 03-31-2021 | 11:07 AM
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The German forum is now referencing this thread. Almost 50,000 views. I hope Porsche is reading (well most of the posts anyway).
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Old 03-31-2021 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
This is a supplier manufacturing error, plain and simple.
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Spend any amount of time in a company that manufactures complex machines with thousands or even millions of parts (I work in aerospace) that rely on supply chain and you would see that supplier quality escapes are very common. Entire teams are dedicated to the job of managing escapes and analyzing their impact and assessing potential solutions and/or recalls. I know it was hard to wait a couple of weeks for an answer from Porsche but I am sure that during those weeks they were trying to come up with every solution possible to not do a recall or contain the issue to as small as impact as possible to both them and us (let alone making sure they fully understood the scope of the issue and impacted vehicles). Unfortunate in this case that it happened to be on a critical piece of the engine. Not the first, won't be the last.

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Old 03-31-2021 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by UncleDude
The German forum is now referencing this thread. Almost 50,000 views. I hope Porsche is reading (well most of the posts anyway).
I am very interested to see/read about what "service recovery" plans Porsche comes out with. I spent 10+ years working at Toyota Corp (Torrance, CA) and the things we would do to ensure Brand Loyalty after issues arise... I would hope Porsche would one better...

I drilled (in a nice way) my SA yesterday. The information his Service Manager (and Regional Service Manager for that matter) was giving him was flat out wrong. It put my SA in a bad spot to relay false information to a consumer and then find out the consumer knows more about what is going on then his own Service Manager and Regional Service Manager. That's a problem - a big problem IMO. it also shows most SA's are only focused on the sale at hand and not focusing on this major issue. Most SA will just pawn it off to their Service Manager to resolve and figure out.

Porsche - If you are reading this, PM me. Let's talk.
Old 03-31-2021 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
You think Porsche, after all these years of designing motors, suddenly produced a flawed design of a con rod, one that is likely identical or near to designs they’ve been running in other motors for years? Any other ridiculous speculation you wanna throw in the mix to support your claim of sticking with your 1983 Boxster instead of buying a new one?

This is a supplier manufacturing error, plain and simple.
It most likely is just a manufacturer error. The odds are not zero that it may be something else, too. They were designing engines for year before the 996 IMS, 991.1 GT3, and other design errors, too. Designs are constantly improved both for performance and reliability. Not sure what the rolling laugh was about. You're getting too excited about this.
Old 03-31-2021 | 11:41 AM
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I dont think that'd ever happen. Most likely they'll get rebuild and set aside for warranty claims, or future people off warranty blowing their engine (mazda did that with rotaries) or even tossed.
Would you spend nearly 110k for a new car with a repaired engine?
Old 03-31-2021 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by UncleDude
The German forum is now referencing this thread. Almost 50,000 views. I hope Porsche is reading (well most of the posts anyway).
And I thought I was asking such a simple question... "Anyone with insight on this current stop-sale order?"

Two weeks and 700 posts later...
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Old 03-31-2021 | 11:53 AM
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On the bright side....
I'll be able to buy one of the "damaged" cars next year for 30% off !!


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