718 GT4RS
10-16-2022, 06:01 AM
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Hello Nilaz - I will be on the Red Bull Ring on the 19th! Probably the same car. Looking forward to it.
Yesterday, I got in 4 laps at the Nurburgring with RSR's GT4RS. Very exciting indeed. I will give you my comments based on my experience with a 981 GT4, and 981 Cayman S.
Overall, the car is very exciting. Here are my findings - and please understand I am not a journalist and had only 4 laps in the car at a place that requires 100% FOCU on the track, so a bit less on the car.
What I found to be Great:
The engine - it is everything a Cayman owner has been wanting. Its the real deal, full power on demand, with a linear feel. Really adictive - 100%.
The steering - I don't know what they did to make such a large improvement but the car goes EXACTLY where you want it go. I can not say enough good things about the turn it, and the handling - just wow wow wow. - 100% confidence.
The sound - NOT TOO LOUD. I was expecting it to be crazy loud. We did drive with our windows up, so I would say it was similar volumne to when I drive my 981 Cayman S with the windows down . But, unlike exhaust notes, it does make you feel more connected to the power plant which is a wonderful feeling. 100%
The Good:
The brakes were good, and perhaps they have been modded by RSR - I was expecting them to bite harder where I would need to be very careful with my left foot. But, they were just normal feeling. Again, this may be a different material than stock. Or, it could be that I am carrying more speed so I need and expect more brakes, but I would rate the brake set up on the RSR car as - 90%
Speaking of braking - no issue whatsoever in hard straightline braking. The rear was planted unlike my 981 GT4 where it could get tail happy. I give the rear set up under braking - 100%. But....
The Not so Good:
The rear end definately does not like to go over bumps or high curbing. Perhaps it is the diff setting, or the dramatic change in RPMS due to the higher RPM operating range, or perhaps it is the sound you definately hear with the RPM cuttouts, or perhaps it is the nature of rear struts - likely a combination of all of the above. But, the sound and the feel of the car going over bumps brings in some caution. It will definately have to be managed on track unless someone comes up with a different set up for the rear. -
If the ONLY thing I have to manage on the track is my rear end going over bumps, I will be super super happy. All other areas are so superb. No understeer. No delay power onset. No high gearing. No unstable hard braking.
Again, I am not a journalist and more importantly, I am not a 911 guy. I am a Cayman guy. From the perspective of a Cayman owner, this thing is everything we've always wanted and knew that a Cayman could do if given the power. It is perfect (almost)!
I will report more after my visit to the RedBull Ring on a rental car set up by Porsche.
Yesterday, I got in 4 laps at the Nurburgring with RSR's GT4RS. Very exciting indeed. I will give you my comments based on my experience with a 981 GT4, and 981 Cayman S.
Overall, the car is very exciting. Here are my findings - and please understand I am not a journalist and had only 4 laps in the car at a place that requires 100% FOCU on the track, so a bit less on the car.
What I found to be Great:
The engine - it is everything a Cayman owner has been wanting. Its the real deal, full power on demand, with a linear feel. Really adictive - 100%.
The steering - I don't know what they did to make such a large improvement but the car goes EXACTLY where you want it go. I can not say enough good things about the turn it, and the handling - just wow wow wow. - 100% confidence.
The sound - NOT TOO LOUD. I was expecting it to be crazy loud. We did drive with our windows up, so I would say it was similar volumne to when I drive my 981 Cayman S with the windows down . But, unlike exhaust notes, it does make you feel more connected to the power plant which is a wonderful feeling. 100%
The Good:
The brakes were good, and perhaps they have been modded by RSR - I was expecting them to bite harder where I would need to be very careful with my left foot. But, they were just normal feeling. Again, this may be a different material than stock. Or, it could be that I am carrying more speed so I need and expect more brakes, but I would rate the brake set up on the RSR car as - 90%
Speaking of braking - no issue whatsoever in hard straightline braking. The rear was planted unlike my 981 GT4 where it could get tail happy. I give the rear set up under braking - 100%. But....
The Not so Good:
The rear end definately does not like to go over bumps or high curbing. Perhaps it is the diff setting, or the dramatic change in RPMS due to the higher RPM operating range, or perhaps it is the sound you definately hear with the RPM cuttouts, or perhaps it is the nature of rear struts - likely a combination of all of the above. But, the sound and the feel of the car going over bumps brings in some caution. It will definately have to be managed on track unless someone comes up with a different set up for the rear. -
If the ONLY thing I have to manage on the track is my rear end going over bumps, I will be super super happy. All other areas are so superb. No understeer. No delay power onset. No high gearing. No unstable hard braking.
Again, I am not a journalist and more importantly, I am not a 911 guy. I am a Cayman guy. From the perspective of a Cayman owner, this thing is everything we've always wanted and knew that a Cayman could do if given the power. It is perfect (almost)!
I will report more after my visit to the RedBull Ring on a rental car set up by Porsche.
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10-16-2022, 06:13 AM
#7367
Intermediate
Thanks for feedback!
A had a 718 GT4, now a GT4RS on order.
The GT4 was fabulous, the only flaw IMHO was the unstable rear while driving hard on a not so smooth tarmac.
I drove it hard on the German BAB, and I was disappointed by the lack of road compliance, very jumpy car, no stability on the rear, it gave me no confidence. You have to fight the car to go straight, alway steering input and correction to it.
For a Porsche I was expecting a different level of stability! I'm also more a Cayman than a 911 type.
Would you say the RS has the same "flaws" ?
A had a 718 GT4, now a GT4RS on order.
The GT4 was fabulous, the only flaw IMHO was the unstable rear while driving hard on a not so smooth tarmac.
I drove it hard on the German BAB, and I was disappointed by the lack of road compliance, very jumpy car, no stability on the rear, it gave me no confidence. You have to fight the car to go straight, alway steering input and correction to it.
For a Porsche I was expecting a different level of stability! I'm also more a Cayman than a 911 type.
Would you say the RS has the same "flaws" ?
Last edited by RomoNL; 10-16-2022 at 06:17 AM.
10-16-2022, 08:45 AM
#7368
Having had a chance to drive 4RS on the road and also passenger on track…
No.1 -> Pax laps at Silverstone GP,
No.2 -> Then thrown the keys to drive a box fresh GT4RS, by a good track buddy…however ‘box fresh’ did mean I was limited to ‘only’ 7k RPM… 🤣…. more than enough for the public road, Officer. Lol.
Impressions -> as everyone has said, the noise of the engine and intake dominates proceedings. Very mechanical sounding car on the drivetrain side, the smallest movement of throttle delivers a change in note and tone… for me this a pure fun car and therefore it should have theatre, of which there is plenty. From this experience, taken with the full chat track laps… for me, up to about 7k rpm, the car is totally fine on the road from a noise pov, given what it is supposed to be. If you use 7-9 on the road, it’s going to be a big noise and huge speed anyway.. you choose. 👀
Power and performance -> The car is as quick as you’d expect it to be in a straight line with THAT engine, and the short ratio PDK is perfectly matched to keep the car always on, or near, the boil. Not as big of a torquey punch as I was expecting from low to mid range, but the power is definitely there as the revs rise. Pulls hard and clean.
Chassis -> For context I’m used to driving a GT4 MR. On the road 4RS is perfectly fine, IMO. I definitely do not agree with claims that it is too stiff for the road. Of course on a broken b-road, it’s a sports car, with big wheels and skinny sidewall tyres. To me, in its out-of-box config, on the road, it felt like a ‘regular’ 718 GT4…that is, a little bit loose and floaty and therefore disappointing.
On a smooth Silverstone it held its own: the revised spring rates are an improvement over the standard GT4 which is just too soft on track IMO, especially on the front end, but the overall body control just isn’t there and that car just didn’t feel special enough or like I’d expect an ‘RS’ product to be.
The chassis side on the RS is the weak link IMO, now that the drivetrain is so potent and aggressive. The MR setup provides so much more confidence with its tighter body control and once again if i were to get a 4RS, the MR chassis kit would be the first money I spend on the car to improve it for track use.
Summary -> With a 4RS, you are buying into the use of carbon fibre + THAT engine/transmission, married to the super fun GT4 platform, just excellent. Its 'special' car because of the RS badge.... but I definitely would NOT pay massive overs for one... 992 GT3 and probably 991.2 GT3 remain superior for going fast on track IMO.
No.1 -> Pax laps at Silverstone GP,
No.2 -> Then thrown the keys to drive a box fresh GT4RS, by a good track buddy…however ‘box fresh’ did mean I was limited to ‘only’ 7k RPM… 🤣…. more than enough for the public road, Officer. Lol.
Impressions -> as everyone has said, the noise of the engine and intake dominates proceedings. Very mechanical sounding car on the drivetrain side, the smallest movement of throttle delivers a change in note and tone… for me this a pure fun car and therefore it should have theatre, of which there is plenty. From this experience, taken with the full chat track laps… for me, up to about 7k rpm, the car is totally fine on the road from a noise pov, given what it is supposed to be. If you use 7-9 on the road, it’s going to be a big noise and huge speed anyway.. you choose. 👀
Power and performance -> The car is as quick as you’d expect it to be in a straight line with THAT engine, and the short ratio PDK is perfectly matched to keep the car always on, or near, the boil. Not as big of a torquey punch as I was expecting from low to mid range, but the power is definitely there as the revs rise. Pulls hard and clean.
Chassis -> For context I’m used to driving a GT4 MR. On the road 4RS is perfectly fine, IMO. I definitely do not agree with claims that it is too stiff for the road. Of course on a broken b-road, it’s a sports car, with big wheels and skinny sidewall tyres. To me, in its out-of-box config, on the road, it felt like a ‘regular’ 718 GT4…that is, a little bit loose and floaty and therefore disappointing.
On a smooth Silverstone it held its own: the revised spring rates are an improvement over the standard GT4 which is just too soft on track IMO, especially on the front end, but the overall body control just isn’t there and that car just didn’t feel special enough or like I’d expect an ‘RS’ product to be.
The chassis side on the RS is the weak link IMO, now that the drivetrain is so potent and aggressive. The MR setup provides so much more confidence with its tighter body control and once again if i were to get a 4RS, the MR chassis kit would be the first money I spend on the car to improve it for track use.
Summary -> With a 4RS, you are buying into the use of carbon fibre + THAT engine/transmission, married to the super fun GT4 platform, just excellent. Its 'special' car because of the RS badge.... but I definitely would NOT pay massive overs for one... 992 GT3 and probably 991.2 GT3 remain superior for going fast on track IMO.
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10-16-2022, 08:54 AM
#7369
Burning Brakes
For these tests I assume aero was in the most aggressive setting?
10-16-2022, 10:41 AM
#7370
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Drive the RS for around 500kms at Red Bull Ring.
Amazing car glorious sound.
Then jump to 992 GT3 for another 300 kms. Easier car to drive fast. Not sure why but makes me feel more confident to drive faster.
The RS is special for sure.
The GT3 is faster car for sure.
The limit is on the driver capabilities not the cars.
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10-16-2022, 12:03 PM
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10-16-2022, 02:34 PM
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10-16-2022, 05:51 PM
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10-16-2022, 07:42 PM
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10-16-2022, 10:30 PM
#7378
Burning Brakes
it should. Will be dark enough from the other windows to not notice too much. I’ve done it in a couple of cars. Don’t go crazy dark on the front two windows.
10-16-2022, 10:50 PM
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