welikethetrack

Have you driven a 991.2 3rs?

Chris Harris (who dd's 991.2 gt3) I remember says the new one drives more comfy even with the stiffer suspension given it's an entirely different double wishbone setup which is probably a lot to do with the lap times. I mean if you think the 992gt3 is too stiff, you're in for a rude awakening with gt4rs given what Matt Farrah had to say about it

I can very confidently say A 992 gt3 with sofas and a new gt4 with LWB will be NIGHT AND DAY as far as comfort goes lol

GrantG

Maybe you should watch the Matt Farrah video about the 992 GT3 driven on the same roads as GT4 RS, if you haven’t already…

TRZ06

The double wishbone does not have anything to do with dampers and what the damper's job is. The double wishbone helps with static/dynamic camber changes and cornering while the dampers are doing their job, but just the fact that it has a double wishbone, does not make it more complaint. You are mixing up what each part of the suspension components do.

Complaint is all in the springs and dampers (and to a lesser extent tire pressures, and tire sidewall stiffness). The more downforce a car can make, the stiffer the springs have to be, and the better the dampers have to be to handle those spring rates.

MRC makes even more sense in the case of added downforce as you can run a softer spring and since the dampers have such range and act so fast, they can make up for the lack of spring rate. That is the beauty of magnetic ride control and where PASM falls short. Think about this, MRC's range is 0% w/ no fluid restriction to 100% stiff, and it can go anywhere in that full range 1000 times a second.

welikethetrack

Seems like we got people with weird agendas here, the responses are getting weird. I didnt even mention damping, but...

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/sup...t3s-suspension


I don't pretend to be a vehicle racing engineer.....But, looks like the guy who made the car would disagree with you...Ouch
AP: “With the double wishbone, we have a way to make the car stiffer and more stable with less body movements under braking. But we could gain some residual comfort for street use. So even though it’s twice as stiff compared to the front axle on the last GT3, it’s no less useable as a road car – and still perfectly useable for a GT3 Touring.”

In short, the 992-gen GT3 has stiffer, faster-reacting damping, but with more comfort than before. An achievement we can’t wait to put to the test ourselves.

But with so much going on at the front, surely the rear axle has needed some work so it’s not left lagging? Correct, says Mr Preuninger. Gold star for you.

Prime

The person with the most agenda is probably AP himself, his job outside of designing cars is promoting them.
Chris Harris is the only reviewer I have heard that says the 992 ride quality is as good as any past GT3, all the others seem to think it’s harsher, regardless of the technology used or spring rates etc. Anyway, doesn’t this line of discussion belong in the 992 GT3 section?

colnagoG60

To add, at Matt's size, with multiple back surgeries, he finds buckets comfortable on multi-hour drives. However he prefers "comfort", above all else, for any road driven car.

blackmist27

oh man! I really dont mean to come off egotistical. sorry if I did.... was not my intention.
I really am just trying to understand from people, like Matt Farah, who have driven both cars where the RS falls in the spectrum of GT stiff cars. I think we can all agree its a new era for Porsche. All their GT cars, even the GTS are stiffer than previous versions, clearly. The thing that gets me is how many customers seem to praise Porsche for that. I mean, in an RS car, stiffness is to be expected. But I just want some sort of reference point. Thats all. Considering how much money these cars cost, I dont think I am asking too much.
Either way, I am excited to get the car. I do foresee a possible suspension swap though. Maybe MCS or stock GT4 suspension? who knows.

Prime

Perhaps the gap is simply widening between models? It seems the base 911 and Carrera S models are getting progressively softer as that is indeed to your point what most owners want.
I haven’t heard anyone suggest the Turbo is stiffer or harsher than it’s predecessor.

Ultimately GT cars are for the track and the modern reality is people buy them because they are a brilliant drivers cars, are cool and all sorts of other reasons but not because they want to track them. If people want a more liveable comfortable yet still very fast and capable 911 there are other more suitable options and frankly I’m happy old golfer blokes find them too stiff because it means it might then find it’s way to an owner who will use it for it’s designed purpose.

thuggo

Jesus don't buy the RS if you are just going to **** it up with a normal GT4 suspension.

blackmist27

hahaha...relax... this is all speculation. I wont really know how it will feel till I get it on my roads. its probably fine for weekend canyons and a track day every other month (non winter months). I was just thinking of suspension options for street. I could always swap back for track. but again, only if its terrible.

colnagoG60

No worries.

Based on existing reviews, its probably safe to say this will be the stiffest Cayman from the factory yet. I'd say get it if you can. There will most likely be more than one way to get it where you want.

welikethetrack

What’s funny is I track and am a total diehard for racecars and thought nothing is “too stiff” but… when I took delivery of my 991.2 3rs i swear it’s like AP was sick of everyone jocking the old cars year after year after year, raw analog n/a buzzword buzzword buzzword, so he literally dialed it to 10 and delivered a racecar that almost shouldn’t be driven on the street just to mock all these “enthusiasts” stuck in the past. A 997 Gt3 btw feels like a Camry by comparison and that’s just 10 years separation

the last RS feels like the suspension was literally made out of diamonds it’s so stiff…

i expect nothing less from the gt4rs LFG!

groundhog

You are correct - they will feel largely similar given the similarity of the spring rates and the fact the shock absorbers have to be paired with the spring rates. There may be subtle differences related to high speed and low speed valve tuning etc which will likely be unique to each vehicle as a function of weight difference, weight distribution and max downforce. Tire selection and pressure do make a significant difference e.g. swap out C2R for 4S - the latter are more compliant as one would expect.

The GT4RS, 992GT3 and 991.2 GT3RS will not ride like a MB S class, however I would be surprised if anyone would think that. At the end of the day, for a car to lap the ring in ~ 7 mins in the hands of a professional driver it has to be set up in a certain way. As the times drop, the aero increases and as a consequence the spring rates increase, you can get some relief from this through the use of active aero c.f. next generation 992 GT3 RS.

They are what they are and Porsche have done a great job engineering into these cars the dynamic range they have.

jmartpr

Before doing any of that try the car and I'm pretty sure you could swap in a DSC module so you could tune the suspension a bit.....

chriswd62

It's hard to compare the 992 GT3 front spring rates (with the double wishbone) vs the GT4 RS strut suspension, as the wheel rates are different. I don't know for sure, but my guess is that the GT4 RS wheel rate is actually stiffer than the 992 GT3.