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Does anyone have actual numbers from Porsche? I know we can see how many 718's are delivered, but is there a publicly available breakdown? It could be some cognitive bias on my part, but I suspect there are less GTS 4.0's delivered than GT4/Spyders. Hell, I had a dealer offer me a Spyder allocation when he couldn't find me a BGTS 4.0.
Maybe I'm not the one with the bias, maybe it's Spyder/GT4 owners that paid ridiculous ADMs that are trying to justify their purchase.
The best data I have found is the spreadsheet available in a thread here and listings. Both suggest nearly 3x as many GT cars out there as GTS's making the GTS the car that's actually more rare.
The best data I have found is the spreadsheet available in a thread here and listings. Both suggest nearly 3x as many GT cars out there as GTS's making the GTS the car that's actually more rare.
Anecdotally, I've been following the used 4.0 closely in Canada for about 2 months now. The GTS 4.0's don't come up often, and when they do they're gone in a few weeks. There are 11 spyders for sale right now and half a dozen GT4's (but the prices are jacked up by 30% over MSRP). I think the GTS is a great value, and if you're looking at a used GT4 (here) for $185k and see a Cayman at $140k, it might be enough of a gap now to appeal to a much broader audience.
That said, rare doesn't always equal more valuable / desirable. The GT cars will always win there, but I would say in Canada it would be much harder to find a GTS at any price, over a GT.
$160K with ADM is a little high unless you go all out with PTS/PCCB/Buckets...well with tax maybe. I agreed to $25k adm on a GT4, and $20k for a spyder. I declined an open GTS 4.0 build slot at $5k adm. The GTS 4.0, is not a GT car and is not in the same class. It's too bad..because it's 85% the car, but it's not the same
25k ADM for a GT4 depending on build should put you roughly where I am. I'm paying 20k ADM for my GT4. I have it specced with PDK and LWBS which is a big part of the cost. After tax (I'm in California in the Silicon Valley) it comes out to about 160k
As an early report, the dealer who has been most helpful (and straight-forward) expects Porsche to provide a partial / smaller round of new allocations in July and a full round in August.
Crossing fingers that on / about July 4 we start reading reports of members getting official slots.
Finally got the call last week saying that there was an allocation available for a 2023 GTS 4.0. I had put a deposit down last November, and was one of six on the local waitlist. A couple of weeks previously, I had been asked to update my configuration to MY23, and I suspected there was an allocation coming available. I was “encouraged” to expand my list of options by $6k, but with no ADM in Canada, I figured “Why not?”
Ironically, I had just taken delivery of a new Z4 M40i that I ordered in the fall when I was told that 718s weren’t assured. I’m enjoying it - lots of power and a comfortable cruiser, but my dream car has been a Porsche since college, so it’ll get traded in when my Cayman arrives.
Finally got the call last week saying that there was an allocation available for a 2023 GTS 4.0. I had put a deposit down last November, and was one of six on the local waitlist. A couple of weeks previously, I had been asked to update my configuration to MY23, and I suspected there was an allocation coming available. I was “encouraged” to expand my list of options by $6k, but with no ADM in Canada, I figured “Why not?”
Ironically, I had just taken delivery of a new Z4 M40i that I ordered in the fall when I was told that 718s weren’t assured. I’m enjoying it - lots of power and a comfortable cruiser, but my dream car has been a Porsche since college, so it’ll get traded in when my Cayman arrives.
My configuration is priced in Canadian $, so about 0.77 to USD. Slightly less beefy?
The M40i is also a fun car. Might be worth reconsidering especially with a wounded Mercedes!
Ahh, I did not see the Canadian dollar facet. Makes sense. At $125K USD I was wondering why you didn't just spec a Spyder. Beautiful car. I had a Carrara White 981 Spyder and I absolutely loved the color/shade.
As an early report, the dealer who has been most helpful (and straight-forward) expects Porsche to provide a partial / smaller round of new allocations in July and a full round in August.
Crossing fingers that on / about July 4 we start reading reports of members getting official slots.
Thanks for the update, keeping my fingers crossed!
Porsche Plano has a preowned 2021 Cayman GTS 4.0 in Gentian Blue with Natural Leather or Beige interior. It has Turbo wheels and is a manual trans car. They still had it a week ago at least.
06-20-2022, 04:56 PM
