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Old 10-04-2023, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by moab
I definitely agree with your first statement above!
Remember, we live in a democracy one day ever election period and that is the day you get to vote. The rest of the period, we live in a dictatorship.

I forgot to mention, I got to pay cash for my vehicles because I am too poor and cannot afford the interest rates.
And being retired, I do not need the stress of the markets.
Old 10-04-2023, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by moab
If that were the case, I’d still be driving my 2007 335. I haven’t purchased one car in the last 15 years where I didn’t borrow, in part, through my line of credit. The whole “I pay cash” for my cars narrative is often horsebleep.
It's usually folks with a few hundred k and think they're rich.

They don't know folks with millions invested yielding 5%+
Old 10-05-2023, 03:43 AM
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P market is definitely dropping...seeing more and more 992's coming down on prices...and so should the other generations to follow as well. I think the price will continue to drop some more the way things are going. Starting to see lots of 992 GT3 and even with the price dropping from $350K to $290k they are still sitting in the lots.

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Old 10-05-2023, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bud Fox
It's usually folks with a few hundred k and think they're rich.

They don't know folks with millions invested yielding 5%+
Firstly, I don' think I'm rich. In fact, I know I'm not rich.
But isn't the debt servicing higher than that at the moment?
You can write some of it off, but that is a relatively small number.

Honest question. I always buy cash and am curious if I could be doing it better.
Old 10-05-2023, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bud Fox
It's usually folks with a few hundred k and think they're rich.
I am glad you think that; I certainly don't as I am wearing a $9.99 t-shirt from Walmart.
Old 10-06-2023, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pfitzsim
I’m far from an expert in the field but a general observation I have in my early 50’s is that with our aging population there are a lot of recreational properties being willed to a generation that I don’t necessarily think wants to own second properties and/or has the ability to maintain one. My wife’s family cottage is a prime example - parents in mid 80’s with 3 kids of which one lives in Alberta and the other Australia. Co ownership simply wouldn’t work and with an approx value of $3M we’re not exactly jumping at the oppty to write a cheque for $2M (which we don’t have) and pay $8k a year in property tax for a couple of weeks on the water. Just my $0.02
Sorry off topic but you need to add to the equation the "empty home" taxes that are being applied one on top of the other if you do not live there regularly or rent it out.

In Vancouver you could be subject to:
Vancouver Empty Home Tax - 3%
BC Speculation Tax - 2%
Federal Underused Housing Tax - 1%

All of this is on the Fair Market Value of the property so a $1M condo in Vancouver could attract total taxes of $60k annually plus the regular property tax.

To bring this back to expensive cars for me it is the sales taxes that is stopping me. In BC, not including the Luxury Tax, any vehicles above $150k will incur 25% sales tax (20% provincial and 5% GST). This just makes me puke that it will go to government coffers to be wasted by our politicians.
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Originally Posted by shotor
Honest question. I always buy cash and am curious if I could be doing it better.
I have always purchased my toy cars only when I have the cash to do so.

But you need to also consider the various sales taxes. In BC on vehicles (new or used) above $150k you will incur combined BC sales tax and GST of 25% so that is $37,500 on a $150k vehicle.

I cannot accept that level of taxation so I am choosing to do without. I just cannot stroke that cheque so the politician can frivolously blow the money away.
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Not sure I should post this but:

buy EV and pay 5% GST
trade it on fancy car at 25% and receive 25% credit on trade.
Old 10-08-2023, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BioBanker
Not sure I should post this but:

buy EV and pay 5% GST
trade it on fancy car at 25% and receive 25% credit on trade.
pls explain further
Old 10-08-2023, 04:15 PM
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Unfortunately GT3 and GT3 RS prices are stubborn. I think it’s going to take a real meltdown to move those prices.
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Originally Posted by thewitchdokta
Unfortunately GT3 and GT3 RS prices are stubborn. I think it’s going to take a real meltdown to move those prices.
What generation are you looking at? The 992's have fallen pretty sharply.
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Originally Posted by shiftgear
pls explain further
When you trade a car in you get the credit for the trade value at the tax rate of the car you are purchasing.

If you’re trading in an expensive EV, you paid 5% GST on it. If you’re trading it in on a 25% GST car, then you get 25% credit.

Buy an expensive EV and pay 5% and the trade it in at what you paid or close to it and net +20% credit.

Of course if you go the other direction you get totally screwed.
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Originally Posted by BioBanker
When you trade a car in you get the credit for the trade value at the tax rate of the car you are purchasing.

If you’re trading in an expensive EV, you paid 5% GST on it. If you’re trading it in on a 25% GST car, then you get 25% credit.

Buy an expensive EV and pay 5% and the trade it in at what you paid or close to it and net +20% credit.

Of course if you go the other direction you get totally screwed.
let's say one buys a taycan to trade in for a 911. dealer still wins as they will screw you on trade in value on the taycan?
Old 10-19-2023, 09:48 AM
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I'm noticing a little more softening on the 991's. More are in the $110k-$115k range now vs $120k plus 6 months ago. I still can't get my head around these prices though. There are 2 nice 2017 base cars for sale on the Autotrader site. One at $100k private sale with 44k km that had an MSRP of $113k and a CPO car at PCO with 32k km for $117k that had an MSRP of $122k. How can anyone justify that little depreciation over 6 - 7 years?

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Old 10-19-2023, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Onami
How can anyone justify that little depreciation over 6 - 7 years?
Why not buy new then?


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