Veloce Raptor

Rick asked if DMD should put Toyo RA1's on. I think that is a bit much for Green, don't you?

BostonDMD

I am going to have a huge party "if" and "when" I get out of Green...

ltc

OK, now I understand.
FWIW, yes, I agree. You could spend a full year in White on street tires, then move to R compounds.

Larry Herman

Here's my first hand experience, FWIW. My son Mike was having problems driving his EVO. He seemed to hit a plateau that he could not break through, and as hard as he pushed, he actually started backing up. Before the next event (at the Glen) I insisted that he go back from his Toyo RA1s to his street tires, and he agreed to do so. It was an epiphany. He quickly realized that he was over driving the front tires, and causing the car to plow out of every corner. The grip of the RA1s and the EVOs HP was masking this. The switch to street tires made it crystal clear. He started apexing a little later, managing the grip of the tires, and started flying out of the turns. By the end of the event he actually came up to me and said that the street tires had pretty good grip afterall, and that he just had to be able to feel it. Now he is ready for the R compounds again, but with his new 993, he's starting back on street tires to learn it better, and he's a Black group driver.

Veloce Raptor

ding ding ding!!!!!!!!!!!

nkhalidi

Your son sounds like he was stuck in the same situation I'm in right now with my 997. Going to sticky tires on my old M3 was terrific because I already had so many street-tire days on it; I went straight to PSCs on my 997 after two events because I thought I knew how to drive the rear-engine car. Clearly not the case.

This is a hugely helpful post; thanks Larry. My next set of tires is going to be streets, and I'll try to relearn things.

BostonDMD

Larry,to be honest, I didn't even know about Rs tires before I came to this racing forum.
I am fine with street tires, it just came up in my lunch conversation with Rick that I probably need a second set of tires just in case of blowouts or whatever, but not necessarily Rs......

fstockcarrera

I'll be there if you want to look me up. Can't help you get in. In the future it helps if you are also a member oc CVR.

BC

How Street? I went out on real street tires that basically liquefied. I didn't learn anything except for "ice-driving" techniques after the second hot lap.

I agree with a street-like tire for learning, and I am still learning, so I am currently searching for a good street-like tire, but I have no interest in driving on 380 TRW tires on the track.

doc2s

MPS2 are great street tires with good grip for track use.

Sean F

I'm curious about this as well. Seems like this topic comes back again every so often.

Larry, was it that the tires were masking a technique issue or the technique needed to change for the tires? The reason I ask is that I ran street tires (Yoko ES100's) for the first half of last year and I switched to RA1's because I was really sliding going into just about every turn and they were screaming. I made some changes to my driving style based on feedback from instructors but when I changed to the RA1's, I was able to make some different adjustments that the tires allowed. Just curious which is the cart and which is the horse.

Gary R.

I have exactly "0" pull and if I were to actually ask Kevin you could pretty much count on NOT getting in!

You should know by March 20th either way.

BC

I think the horse has Goodyears, and the cart has RA1s.

Seric

+1 on the Elise.

(Looking to get the wife one within a couple years)

Conekiller

BrendanC
You should try either the (Kumho Mx's 220 treadwear) or the Falken Azenis 615's (200 treadwear). If your just using them on the track, they grip just as well in the dry as the Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 and Michelin PS2's, for a fraction of the cost. I was going to go with the Mx's because i heard they were more heat resistant, but they where sold out so i got the Azenis. I'm in green and i've only done 3 track days with them, but haven't had any heat problems.