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Old 08-25-2024, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
And I've explained why it won't happen. The DE market is muchlarger than club racing, and there are lots of organizers competing to attract participants. If PCA goes overboard on medical clearance and requires people to have their doc sign off to drive in DE, all the business will go elsewhere (Chin, SCCA, NASA, HOD, BMW CCA, regional clubs, etc.), and PCA knows that, so it won't happen.
You’re doing it again, right here in this post.

SMFH!!!

STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!!!

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Old 08-25-2024, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ProCoach
That reasoning hasn't saved the PCA CR program oversight from going overboard, and the migration started from there to others some time ago.
Understood, but I think DE is more central to PCA than CR.

Maybe what Luigi has done will cause PCA CR to eventually reverse course. I hope so.
Old 08-25-2024, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dgrobs
You’re doing it again, right here in this post.

SMFH!!!

STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!!!

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We have a different POV on this. I think it's important to draw attention to the disparity in medical clearance for DE and CR. And frankly, the whole reason I'm talking about it is because of THIS THREAD which has drawn attention to the general issue of medical clearance. Maybe Luigi should ask the mods to close this thread?
Old 08-25-2024, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ProCoach
There is decline across a broad range of age and cognitive function. I know more that are NOT "too old" that shouldn't be on track in DE (or especially racing), either.
I don't think I'm *too old* but I hung up my helmet when I saw how quickly kids learn how to race and exceed our abilities (well, at least my abilities). That, and racing is expensive and it's more than enough supporting one racing habit in the family!
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Old 08-25-2024, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
We have a different POV on this. I think it's important to draw attention to the disparity in medical clearance for DE and CR. And frankly, the whole reason I'm talking about it is because of THIS THREAD which has drawn attention to the general issue of medical clearance. Maybe Luigi should ask the mods to close this thread?
Close the thread when PCA has challenged me to a game of FAFO? I'm no quitter!
Old 08-25-2024, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
Close the thread when PCA has challenged me to a game of FAFO? I'm no quitter!
*** Around & Find Out?
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Originally Posted by Manifold
I was a PCA Safety Chair in my region, and I deal with safety stuff professionally. No, it's not fun (I've dealt with a lot of cases involving fatalities), but it's important, and safety is one of the key issues in this thread.
Safety-ism is one of the key issues in this thread.
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Old 08-25-2024, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jdistefa
Safety-ism is one of the key issues in this thread.
Bingo.
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Originally Posted by ProCoach
I'll just add that especially in DE's, every driver has multiple interactions with volunteer registration, staff, CI's, classroom and in-car instructors. Most drivers in DE's are constantly evaluated by these folks interacting with them.

That level of scrutiny rarely allows this "too old" or "in cognitive decline" drivers to participate, let alone continue.

Not the same as your sample pool.
Ya full agreement on the checks and balances in DE preventing that. No one new is likely to slip through the cracks that isn't capable of driving because hte instructor should shut that down almost instantly if it seems like they're a problem.

Sprint racing and endurance racing though, the old boys club prevents some guy whos been literally doing it for 50 years from being told sorry, you cant race. They're too intrenched. The same guys will likely be allowed to DE (and are around me) just because of their name. They'd get through every outfits checks and balances because they wouldn't be given an instructor based on experience and having an active road race license, and probably holding a current instructors license.

Again I don't really think it's a big problem because there is almost always something the other car can do to prevent contact and I've never see more than fender benders caused by them (the old road race guys I mean that no one is going to challenge until it's absolutely necessary), but it's gotta be multiple times more risky allowing them to race than this whole CPAP fiasco lol

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Originally Posted by jdistefa
Safety-ism is one of the key issues in this thread.
Safety-ism and an entrenched system of bureaucracy.
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
Safety-ism and an entrenched system of bureaucracy.
Without any apparent system of checks and balances.
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
Safety-ism and an entrenched system of bureaucracy.
And safety, reading forms, medical expertise, privacy, liability, and dispute resolution/exacerbation.
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Originally Posted by jdistefa
Safety-ism is one of the key issues in this thread.
I believe it’s “The Safety-ism”
Old 08-26-2024, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ProCoach
I'll just add that especially in DE's, every driver has multiple interactions with volunteer registration, staff, CI's, classroom and in-car instructors. Most drivers in DE's are constantly evaluated by these folks interacting with them.

That level of scrutiny rarely allows this "too old" or "in cognitive decline" drivers to participate, let alone continue.

Not the same as your sample pool.
I would also believe it’s easier for other drivers to spot dangerous or erratic driving in DE. That we all should be following a similar line and driving pattern. And the control of not passing without permission. It’s easy to see when something doesn’t look right. Your all looking out for each other.
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Originally Posted by CT_Peter
I believe it’s “The Safety-ism”
Damn straight it is.


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