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I vote to keep it a simple as possible, All the data that I need is right on the unit. I like the fact that I don't have to download. If you want to post awesome video's of your hot lap use something else. The video portion is not high on my list of needs, but I like the brake point comparison.
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Plenty of other options to make it more involved and complicated.
It is a matter of managing expectations that have been established by legacy device and analysis methodologies, for sure.
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Really like Sean Finnegan's take on his new Catalyst. This is a guy that is the Cosworth Toolbox guru for taking GM Performance Data recorded information and really leveraging it to a very powerful platform. This is a good review of the Post Session Review.
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Ok coaches, Here is turn 7 at Blackhawk Farms, What is the most important data that I should be looking at from the 3 screen shots and some questions
It said the optimal line is 102 Ft shorter than my average line, Does the measurement start at brake initiation.
What is track usage percent?
It said the optimal line is 102 Ft shorter than my average line, Does the measurement start at brake initiation.
What is track usage percent?
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I vote to keep it a simple as possible, All the data that I need is right on the unit. I like the fact that I don't have to download. If you want to post awesome video's of your hot lap use something else. The video portion is not high on my list of needs, but I like the brake point comparison.
In its current state it is certainly useful mainly for on-site review, learning, and coaching.
But with a few software changes it could be a one-stop solution for a lot of people that aren't quite ready for full-data solutions. It will also be a gateway drug for those more expensive setups because once you start you can't stop.
ETA: also, I'm a data nerd.
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Really like Sean Finnegan's take on his new Catalyst. This is a guy that is the Cosworth Toolbox guru for taking GM Performance Data recorded information and really leveraging it to a very powerful platform. This is a good review of the Post Session Review.
https://youtu.be/itYwUKdnoRA
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I've always said that the underlying information collected by the "full-data solutions" (those that include throttle, brake pressure, steering angle, maths, entail media and file downloads, transfers and pull-ups, use analysis profiles and worksheets in frankly non-intuitive software) are very good for drilling down and studying the relationship between control inputs, speeds, sector times and vehicle performance. The additional detail of the full-blown data systems is useful for dissecting and validating what is happening, when and where.
Being a data nerd is not the same as knowing what to do with it. I don't see a lot of people going more complex, but I see a lot of people going less complex.
I'm very glad I sell, support and educate more than a dozen different approaches to this optimization technology. It makes a difference.
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Yeah, well, it has already turned into that for a lot of folks who a) are ready for something more than phone apps, b) have "full-data solutions" and are now looking for proactive feedback and "interpretation" from the information collected and c) want to push the "easy button."
I've always said that the underlying information collected by the "full-data solutions" (those that include throttle, brake pressure, steering angle, maths, entail media and file downloads, transfers and pull-ups, use analysis profiles and worksheets in frankly non-intuitive software) are very good for drilling down and studying the relationship between control inputs, speeds, sector times and vehicle performance. The additional detail of the full-blown data systems is useful for dissecting and validating what is happening, when and where.
Being a data nerd is not the same as knowing what to do with it. I don't see a lot of people going more complex, but I see a lot of people going less complex.
I'm very glad I sell, support and educate more than a dozen different approaches to this optimization technology. It makes a difference.
I've always said that the underlying information collected by the "full-data solutions" (those that include throttle, brake pressure, steering angle, maths, entail media and file downloads, transfers and pull-ups, use analysis profiles and worksheets in frankly non-intuitive software) are very good for drilling down and studying the relationship between control inputs, speeds, sector times and vehicle performance. The additional detail of the full-blown data systems is useful for dissecting and validating what is happening, when and where.
Being a data nerd is not the same as knowing what to do with it. I don't see a lot of people going more complex, but I see a lot of people going less complex.
I'm very glad I sell, support and educate more than a dozen different approaches to this optimization technology. It makes a difference.
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... I see a lot of people going less complex.
I'm very glad I sell, support and educate more than a dozen different approaches to this optimization technology. It makes a difference.
I'm very glad I sell, support and educate more than a dozen different approaches to this optimization technology. It makes a difference.
As for the "data nerd" stuff I just meant that's why I'm looking into all of the data. Just to see how it's doing its thing and what's there.
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Ok coaches, Here is turn 7 at Blackhawk Farms, What is the most important data that I should be looking at from the 3 screen shots and some questions
It said the optimal line is 102 Ft shorter than my average line, Does the measurement start at brake initiation.
What is track usage percent?
It said the optimal line is 102 Ft shorter than my average line, Does the measurement start at brake initiation.
What is track usage percent?
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I’m not familiar with the track, but it wants you to brake later and harder, turn in later and get back on the gas sooner. I don’t have the device so can’t answer your other questions, but a guess on the track usage (assuming it’s lower than 100%) is that you need to setup wider before you approach the turn and then track out further on corner exit.
How track usage works is an objective measure using the neural network that the device builds from the camera view of the width and the edges of the track, when properly set up.
It’s a constant calculation of track position to the edges of the road from a short, wide strip of more than the width of the track 40-75 feet in front of the car.
All this is visible in the setup menu, and the reason why feedback is limited if the camera aim is a) not centered on the hood, b) has any car body work above the green hood outline and c) level when the car is level.
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^^This^^
How track usage works is an objective measure using the neural network that the device builds from the camera view of the width and the edges of the track, when properly set up.
It’s a constant calculation of track position to the edges of the road from a short, wide strip of more than the width of the track 40-75 feet in front of the car.
All this is visible in the setup menu, and the reason why feedback is limited if the camera aim is a) not centered on the hood, b) has any car body work above the green hood outline and c) level when the car is level.
How track usage works is an objective measure using the neural network that the device builds from the camera view of the width and the edges of the track, when properly set up.
It’s a constant calculation of track position to the edges of the road from a short, wide strip of more than the width of the track 40-75 feet in front of the car.
All this is visible in the setup menu, and the reason why feedback is limited if the camera aim is a) not centered on the hood, b) has any car body work above the green hood outline and c) level when the car is level.
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