sbelles

So would I so as to telegraph my intentions but I think this is also where the line between good driving and blocking starts. It all depends on the relative positions and the closing speed. That's often a judgement made in split seconds. I don't consider it blocking unless someone makes a pattern of it.

Ritter v4.0

IMO racing incident . . . but regretable. I would try and leave more room, or a lot less and remove all doubt. I know-easier said than done at the time. Someone else (overtaking car) would/ should have backed out

LuigiVampa

Agreed.

The phrase you used is perfect - telegraph my intentions.

By taking a specific line you are telling the trailing car "not this corner".

If you do it every corner than agreed it is blocking.

sbelles

Pros don' t get the timing right every time, amatures aren't going to either. Once is a mistake, twice is sloppy driving, three times and you're an *******.

Nizer

Bummer. And you and that turn have history if I recall correctly.

Looks like you start turn in here in frame below. I'd call that a pretty late move on passing car's part given his position at turn in. Clear 13 for passing car in PCA.
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38D

Dive bomb, especially in that corner

paradocs98

Frustrating. Thanks for posting--a good learning experience for many of us. First thing I thought of was Ricky Taylor's inside move on Felipe Albuquerque at the end of the Daytona 24. I love the Taylor boys, but I hate that the win came from controversy. Wayne's face at the end of the clip says it all:

David993S

Just saw this thread.......Dive Bombing is sometimes just a racing incident, unfortunately. This, to me, seems to be half Dive bombing , half overly aggressive passing attempt, IMHO. Doesn't mean the dive bomber didn't display very poor judgment. Even if NASA ruled it a racing incident, if I were the Chief Steward I would still have a conversation with the passer regarding his decision making. I don't see that the Boxster driver could or should have done anything different - short of not racing the guy. You can't always expect or anticipate something like that. That's why it's called Dive Bombing.

JJE997.2RS

racing incident and the S2000 guy is an idiot.

Can't fix stupid

mchrono

Agree. Dive Bomb (at least per the rules I'm familiar with) but no doubt the two drivers disagree.

hf1

+1
It was an aggressive pass but the door was wide open and there was overlap, too.

In most racing series outside of PCA the leading car here would have been expected to leave racing room. The door was left wide open for a long time, without any "defense" (signalling intent to leave room) and there was substantial overlap.

Ownership of (perfect) lines, corners, and apexes is a foreign concept outside of PCA. Co-existence (giving racing room upon overlap and going side by side) usually takes precedence. In PCA "The car ahead at turn in has the corner" seems to take precedence in enforcement over "The car ahead at turn in... does not “own” the corner" and "Everyone must leave racing room". (All these are official PCA passing rules, btw.)

That said, it never hurts and it's more fun and safer to leave racing room upon overlap even if the rules don't mandate it. Even with PCA I always leave racing room when the passer manages to establish an overlap.

When racing with a close competitor, preventing overlap by taking a defensive line or by "making your car wider" (i.e. positioning it so it's hard for the passer to decide which side to attempt the pass) is a major part of race-craft. Better to close the door before any overlap is established, while still observing the blocking rules, of course. But once the passing car entangles itself with the lead car by establishing overlap then it's best for each car to leave room for the duration of the overlap.

Glad Frank is OK and hope the damage was not too big.

Circuit Motorsports

The S2000 was in your right side mirror for the entire run down the 'straight'. You should have seen him. You should have expected that he might make that kind of move. This wasn't just a little bit of overlap. He was pretty far up alongside you. He could have gone up on the curbing a bit more to avoid as well.

Both of you are at fault.

Anyone who says racing incident should go pro racing. Yes it is an incident and it is while racing but the underlying thought process when saying 'racing incident' is that there isn't enough to blame one person. This is when you blame BOTH people. This is club racing. There is an inherent need to coexist on track. Part of that is being able to handle a situation like the one above without contact. Both of you get points on your record if I were steward.

Jas0nn

If I remember the discussion on the NASA NE FB group correctly, it wasn't just the one Honda; he was the class leader with three or four running nose-to-tail shortly after a restart

mark kibort

great description. however, i think "dive bomb" means "aggressive pass", as opposed to the contrary = punt. so, as a lead of pack driver you need to be aware of those doing all sorts of things behind you. and with a pass, you have to count on evasive action if the "thinkable" actually happens. closing a door is not uncommon, and is probably more common in those situations.........so, as was said, plan on plan b being you doing a little 4x4'ering if needed.

ProCoach

Yep.

Yep.

Yep. Low percentage pass.

Yep, that was a chicken**** move.

Dive bomb, for sure