Diesel Cayenne and VW emission issue
#3091
If you can find one at a good price, buy it.
If I were buying now, however, I'd use that the seller can get part of the payout for leverage. Now if I was selling, I'd tell someone making such an argument to get stuffed. So I think it's worth a shot, but don't let an otherwise good deal slip by if they don't buy into the argument.
If I were buying now, however, I'd use that the seller can get part of the payout for leverage. Now if I was selling, I'd tell someone making such an argument to get stuffed. So I think it's worth a shot, but don't let an otherwise good deal slip by if they don't buy into the argument.
And as chsu says (below), the trick is, indeed, figuring out the right price now that the settlement is approved.
#3092
^ Challenge is that there is a way to calculate a firm market value today with terms of compensation announced compared to 8 months ago when they were so much uncertainty surrounding this. Much of it disappeared when the 2.0 compensation was announced as it set precedent.
All CD owners can just hold it and get 100% restitution instead of sharing it 50%. Unless the seller needs to sell today then the restitution gives him a budget to factor even carrying cost. Advantage goes to CD owners me thinks..
All CD owners can just hold it and get 100% restitution instead of sharing it 50%. Unless the seller needs to sell today then the restitution gives him a budget to factor even carrying cost. Advantage goes to CD owners me thinks..
#3093
Based on the settlement I'm also not sure how much of a leg (including CA) will have to stand on to try and force us to apply the fix. It is clearly worded that we have a choice and CARB/EPA agreed to it. Given that it becomes hard to argue that the state is following the regulator's lead since the regulators have basically said they don't care if the cars are fixed or not.
Now the real question is if a state does try to force the fix, will someone try to fight it and if so how far?
#3094
I'm in VA as well. They've had a mixed history on following CARBs lead in cases like this.
Based on the settlement I'm also not sure how much of a leg (including CA) will have to stand on to try and force us to apply the fix. It is clearly worded that we have a choice and CARB/EPA agreed to it. Given that it becomes hard to argue that the state is following the regulator's lead since the regulators have basically said they don't care if the cars are fixed or not.
Now the real question is if a state does try to force the fix, will someone try to fight it and if so how far?
Based on the settlement I'm also not sure how much of a leg (including CA) will have to stand on to try and force us to apply the fix. It is clearly worded that we have a choice and CARB/EPA agreed to it. Given that it becomes hard to argue that the state is following the regulator's lead since the regulators have basically said they don't care if the cars are fixed or not.
Now the real question is if a state does try to force the fix, will someone try to fight it and if so how far?
#3095
Something I've been pondering, what will not getting the fix due to the value?
Depending on the results of the fix, I could see it fetch a premium from people like some of us in the thread who prefer what we originally bought.
Depending on the results of the fix, I could see it fetch a premium from people like some of us in the thread who prefer what we originally bought.
#3096
I'm in VA as well. They've had a mixed history on following CARBs lead in cases like this.
Based on the settlement I'm also not sure how much of a leg (including CA) will have to stand on to try and force us to apply the fix. It is clearly worded that we have a choice and CARB/EPA agreed to it. Given that it becomes hard to argue that the state is following the regulator's lead since the regulators have basically said they don't care if the cars are fixed or not.
Now the real question is if a state does try to force the fix, will someone try to fight it and if so how far?
Based on the settlement I'm also not sure how much of a leg (including CA) will have to stand on to try and force us to apply the fix. It is clearly worded that we have a choice and CARB/EPA agreed to it. Given that it becomes hard to argue that the state is following the regulator's lead since the regulators have basically said they don't care if the cars are fixed or not.
Now the real question is if a state does try to force the fix, will someone try to fight it and if so how far?
Personally, I hope they flip CARB the bird. Here in WA, they apparently do follow CARB... but there's no emissions testing, so unless the state requires proof of a fix to re-register, I guess I'll have the option, too.
#3097
It's of course possible, but with the exceptions of states like CA/NY/OR/WA that seem to like making their lives difficult and wasting money, I don't see many (if any) states willingly picking up the fight unless they think they can get some pay off. Even if all 80k cars were in one state and went unfixed, that's not much for pay off potential.
My money is on most/all states not making any additional requirements. If the EPA isn't going to make a stink and threaten highway funds, I think we are safe to go unfixed and since they are allowing the option of not fixing in the settlement, I think we are good.
#3098
Originally Posted by gnat
Something I've been pondering, what will not getting the fix due to the value?
Depending on the results of the fix, I could see it fetch a premium from people like some of us in the thread who prefer what we originally bought.
Depending on the results of the fix, I could see it fetch a premium from people like some of us in the thread who prefer what we originally bought.
#3100
A tunes also work from a base line. Adding one to a car that has lost 3-5% of its power will net you lower results than one that still has 100% of its performance.
#3102
Just received this morning from VAG.
Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche have reached three new settlements with federal and state agencies and consumers on claims that they installed defeat device software to bypass emissions standards in 3.0-liter turbocharged direct injection (TDI) diesel engine vehicles.
For information about the compensation options available, please read the Court-approved notice carefully, and visit www.VWCourtSettlement.com. There you can enter your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and determine if your vehicle is included. You can access an Online Claims Portal and get information about what the settlements mean for you. Further information on how to make claims, including a link to the claims portal, will be sent to you upon final approval. The Online Claims Portal will provide the fastest processing of your claim.
We will send you a follow-up email attaching the Court-approved notice, but meanwhile, you can access it at the website www.VWCourtSettlement.com. You can also call 1-844-98-CLAIM for more information.
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Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche have reached three new settlements with federal and state agencies and consumers on claims that they installed defeat device software to bypass emissions standards in 3.0-liter turbocharged direct injection (TDI) diesel engine vehicles.
For information about the compensation options available, please read the Court-approved notice carefully, and visit www.VWCourtSettlement.com. There you can enter your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and determine if your vehicle is included. You can access an Online Claims Portal and get information about what the settlements mean for you. Further information on how to make claims, including a link to the claims portal, will be sent to you upon final approval. The Online Claims Portal will provide the fastest processing of your claim.
We will send you a follow-up email attaching the Court-approved notice, but meanwhile, you can access it at the website www.VWCourtSettlement.com. You can also call 1-844-98-CLAIM for more information.
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#3103
Here is a new link to a form if you are a former owner:
https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com/en...ion%20Form.pdf
https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com/en...ion%20Form.pdf
#3104
Link to a new doc explaining benefits:
https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...issue-207.html
Looks like it is up to VW, CARB, and EPA.
I wasn't pleased to see there is so much left unanswered, especially regarding the compliant repair or a possible reduced emission repair. CARB and EPA can ok a repair that reduces NOx but doesn't bring them into compliance.
VAG has won this round, they have enough outs here that they will make sure they are able to create some kind of fix that their new friends at the EPA and CARB will probably approve.
As for vehicle neutering, all the words they used don't mean a thing until we get the repair and see how it impacts our vehicles.
https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...issue-207.html
Looks like it is up to VW, CARB, and EPA.
I wasn't pleased to see there is so much left unanswered, especially regarding the compliant repair or a possible reduced emission repair. CARB and EPA can ok a repair that reduces NOx but doesn't bring them into compliance.
VAG has won this round, they have enough outs here that they will make sure they are able to create some kind of fix that their new friends at the EPA and CARB will probably approve.
As for vehicle neutering, all the words they used don't mean a thing until we get the repair and see how it impacts our vehicles.
#3105