Scott997

Steve,
This is unfortunate and I have heard similar things from my friend dealing with Beverly Hills Porsche. For the volume of Porsche sold in your state it amazes me the lack of sophistication the dealers have. I'm sorry for your troubles.
I have not been happy with having recalls on my GT3 or 991. However everything was an easy fix.

What I had with the Corvettes was beyond.

Most Porsche dealers have a lot more training and sophistication. When your dealing with Chevy your talking about a mechanic that works on cobalts and now is going to work on vettes. They simply don't know, don't care. Heaven forbid you mention a track day to them, need a special alignment, mention you want different clutch or brake fluid because the factory fill sucks. You see where I'm going with this?

stevecolletti

Thanks, Scott
You're right. Everything can be fixed.. just not by the dealer network, and not under the warranty.

I see your point. I just don't know how much worse it can be - and at the Corvette's price, it's cheaper to walk away from it than to 'fix' a handful of Porsche issues. I don't want to get into a sob story or hijack the thread, but I've lost all faith in Porsche and the dealer network for even the smallest and most clear-cut issue.

TRAKCAR

Every prior experience with Chevy tells me it will fall to pieces before I get to the entry gate of Sebring.

But what if it doesn't?
The HP weight and specs are tempting.

Provided I fit with helmet on, I'd like to find out if it works on track of not for $60K..A gamble I likely loose, but if it breaks too much on or off track, I'll dump it after a few thousand miles and a few months.

I like to find out for myself if its track worthy or not and if I can stomach Chevy dealers, warranty and service.

I will limit myself to a roll bar, seat belt, pads, maybe rotors, and a set of track wheels. Maybe a real brake setup if really needed.

Quikag

I fully respect and understand your personal experience and I'd feel the same way as you if it were me. But, as I've mentioned earlier in this thread and a few other places, my '01 C5, my '08 LS3 Z51, and now my '10 ZR1 have all been great cars. Sure, not perfect, occasional stupid minor stuff, but nothing big at all.

I've also found a good local dealer that takes care of me and has a Vette designated mechanic who actually cares. They give me a new Tahoe or Silverado loaner each time I come in for anything (which hasn't been much) and it's just been a good overall experience. I told them it goes a long way to taking care of their Vette owners as a lot of us could easily move over to P-car or some other brand if Chevy pisses us off. A few dealerships actually understand that. You just need to find them.

So, even having great experiences with GM vehicles overall (I daily a '12 CTS-V which has been bulletproof and I beat the crap out of it), I still wouldn't personally buy a first year C7. I'm going to wait for a second year Z06 or ZR1 and let them work out the bugs. In the meantime, I'll keep tracking my ZR1 and enjoying the heck out of it.

NJ-GT

This is super awesome.

C&D have tested 136 different cars at VIR-Grand.

VIR Grand Course
997.1 GT3: 3:01.8
991 S PDK: 2:58.9
997.2 GT3 RS 3.8: 2:55.9
Fiat 430 Scuderia: 2:54.6

Nurburgring:
997.1 GT3: 7:43
Fiat 430 Scuderia: 7:39
991 S PDK: 7:37.9
997.2 GT3 RS 3.8: 7:33

A C7-Z51 lap time of 2:54 puts the new Vette at the top of the list on VIR times, and very likely GM is testing the C7-Z51 on pure street tires, not the race rubber in the Scuderia or GT3 RS 3.8. More performance will be available from the C7 on race tires, but on street tires we might be looking at a car lapping the Nurburgring in between 7:39-7:33 (using the GT3RS and Scuderia as a reference), and even faster on MPSC or Corsa System tires.

All this performance from a $50k car, running on skinny 245/285 tires and skinny 8.5"/10" wheels.

Mandatory Options:
- Z51 (real dry-sump, stiffer leaf springs, stiffer shocks, trans cooler, diff cooler, aero package and gigantic brakes)
- Competition Seats
- Magnetic Shocks
- A pair of base model rear wheels (19x10), and a pair of front wheels, to run on track tires.

What a bargain, and what a performance. Awesome, with a 7-speed manual tranny.

mdrums

Rad what's your Sebring estimated times? I think on street tires 2:21

NJ-GT

Who does Sebring on street tires?

2:16 on slicks, 2:18 on R6, because this C7-Z51 is going to perform around Scuderia, 458, 997.2 GT3RS 3.8, 991 GT3 levels, for just $50k, I can't even buy an used Cayman R with that money.

mdrums

Lots do Sebring on streets.

I agree this Vette is going to be awesome...plus Chevy warranty even if tracked! Not sure why anyone would want a Caymen. Only thing keeping me in a Porsche is PDK due to my physical issue.

wanna911

Only if Peter or some of the other Fla DE Cup guys defect from Porsche. There seem to be no current fast guys in stockish Corvette's at Sebring.

Just saying, don't be surprised if they are still going slow in the C7's.

TRAKCAR

I'll be test rabbit, I hope I fit with helmet.
Properly spec'ed about 65K out the door.

Not defecting, just starting to sample cheap alternatives, in case the 991RS is not all it needs to be when the 4.0 needs a rest.

The 4.0 could get sold, but what's better than 2 track cars? 3 track cars.

NJ-GT

I do know of at least 3 DE Cup drovers jumping in right away, 2 of them down to color and options.

I also know of a multitude of DE Cup drovers going antiques, by dozens collectively...

No 991 GT3 orders so far, sorry Arrogant Bastard (tm somewhere in San Diego), and AP, PCNA, P Ag, and the formerly dear Beetle Group Ag.

z06801

I Like your attitude!!

savyboy

Seems to be a no-brainer doesn't it? Unless someone just enjoys paying Porsche Tax at every single point of the ownership experience.

+1

I still have my deposit on a Z/28 (something about it appeals to me) for next year delivery but the C7/Z51 is going to be a high-value, beautiful, beast.

And my Mono, at GT3 pricing, should it ever actually be delivered (lol), is loaded with spectacular bespoke performance details that Porsche could care less about.

It is a wonderful time to be a car guy.

rubber_ducky

Something tells me that you might soon be able to. The new vette can only negatively impact the resale of cars at a similar price point.

NJ-GT

Here is a video of the ZL1 at VIR Grand Course.

It ran a lap time of 2:57.5, just 2 secs slower than the GT3 RS 3.8. This Camaro is shod with crappy Pirelli PZero tires, and it is heavy. However, it beat the 997.2 Turbo S, 997.1 GT3, the 991S PDK, Ford GT, SLS and many others. On the MPSC tires the GT3RS uses, it would have beaten the GT3RS and my Fiat too.

Listen to Tony Quiroga's comments, zero understeer, and massive traction out of corners (with 580Hp is not easy).

GM claims the new Z28 is 300 lbs lighter than the ZL1, it will have even better brakes, it will have an Aero package, a track tuned suspension, and it will come with sticky r-comp tires instead of the ZL1 crappy PZero. The ZL1 ran the Nurburgring on the crappy tires in 7:41 (just one second behind the MPSC equipped 992. GT3 3.8).

These cars are so affordable, that one can get a Z28 and a C7-Z51, and still have money left to buy a BR-Z, for the same money that buys a PDK-only 991 Wannabe-GT3.


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