View Poll Results: Choose your favorite Porsche...
Boxster (S)
10
1.10%
911 (2.7RS, CS, etc...)
64
7.03%
964 (Turbo 3.6, RS, etc...)
41
4.50%
993 (3.8RS, GT2, etc...)
204
22.39%
944 (Turbo, 968, S2, etc...)
178
19.54%
928
212
23.27%
996 (GT3RS, GT2, etc...)
78
8.56%
356
3
0.33%
959
64
7.03%
Carrera GT
44
4.83%
914
5
0.55%
924
4
0.44%
Cayenne
4
0.44%
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Best Porsche ever?
08-04-2004, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianPA
Funny that the 928 is dealing out such an asswhopping in this poll especially considering how unpopular it was when it was actually in production...
It's frequently the way when something is ahead of its time...
And when it was viewed by so many in a one-eyed manner...
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08-04-2004, 10:14 PM
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I was just looking at the poll results and, if you grouped together all versions of the 911 into one category of "911," the 911 would beat out the the 928. I wonder how it would break down if the 928 was broken down into its model types that came out over the years.
Don't get me wrong, though. I think the 928 is sweet! After all, it was a featured car in both "Risky Business" and "Weird Science."
PS- I don't think I can pick "just one" favorite Porsche...though I do like the 956 and 962...and the 1987 911 Turbo.
Don't get me wrong, though. I think the 928 is sweet! After all, it was a featured car in both "Risky Business" and "Weird Science."
PS- I don't think I can pick "just one" favorite Porsche...though I do like the 956 and 962...and the 1987 911 Turbo.
08-05-2004, 12:41 AM
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87turbo911...
Yeah, but to group all versions of the 911 together is more akin to grouping the 924's, 944's, and 968's together with the 928's....
Still no contest.
The analogy of breaking down 928's into s, s2, s3 s4 etc does not hold in comparison with the developments of the original 911's into all its developed models, which is probably why they were largely given different numbers in the marque.
The 928 was always designated a 928...
Like you, I love all the Porsches; it's just that I know which is my favourite (although it took me into my 4th decade of driving to realise it)...
Phill.
Yeah, but to group all versions of the 911 together is more akin to grouping the 924's, 944's, and 968's together with the 928's....
Still no contest.
The analogy of breaking down 928's into s, s2, s3 s4 etc does not hold in comparison with the developments of the original 911's into all its developed models, which is probably why they were largely given different numbers in the marque.
The 928 was always designated a 928...
Like you, I love all the Porsches; it's just that I know which is my favourite (although it took me into my 4th decade of driving to realise it)...
Phill.
08-05-2004, 12:48 AM
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Hmm. I guess it would depend on how you group the models- by internal designation, by "cooling type" (ie: air/oil or water), or by marketing designation. Well, actually, if you went by internal designation, I think that the list of choices would become obnoxiously long and the 928 would win hands-down. And I think "water-cooled" would beat all.
But, if you grouped things by their marketed name, the 924, 944, 968, and 928 models all sold under their respective names while the 911, 911 (3.2L), 964, 993, and 996 were all sold with the name "911." In that case, it gives the situation I mentioned above.
I just thought of another car that I think is quite cool...GT1!
A funny way for me to think about which Porsche is my favorite- whichever one I'm driving at the time!
But, if you grouped things by their marketed name, the 924, 944, 968, and 928 models all sold under their respective names while the 911, 911 (3.2L), 964, 993, and 996 were all sold with the name "911." In that case, it gives the situation I mentioned above.
I just thought of another car that I think is quite cool...GT1!
A funny way for me to think about which Porsche is my favorite- whichever one I'm driving at the time!
08-05-2004, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TroppoShark
87turbo911...
Yeah, but to group all versions of the 911 together is more akin to grouping the 924's, 944's, and 968's together with the 928's....
Still no contest.
The analogy of breaking down 928's into s, s2, s3 s4 etc does not hold in comparison with the developments of the original 911's into all its developed models, which is probably why they were largely given different numbers in the marque.
The 928 was always designated a 928...
Phill.
Yeah, but to group all versions of the 911 together is more akin to grouping the 924's, 944's, and 968's together with the 928's....
Still no contest.
The analogy of breaking down 928's into s, s2, s3 s4 etc does not hold in comparison with the developments of the original 911's into all its developed models, which is probably why they were largely given different numbers in the marque.
The 928 was always designated a 928...
Phill.
You know, I was totally choked up that there was just only one version of the 928 (i.e. a coupe). It is a very positive thing if a Porsche model 'diversifies' into various configurations and even various model numbers. Porsche's philosophy has always been based on the idea of constant evolution of a product. They've applied that to all their models, but none so thoroughly as in the 911. The 911 name is not just marketspeak. Whether Porsche decides to call their internal designations 993, 964, 996 instead of 911-993, 911-996, etc. is as trivial as us trying to classify whether 993 is or is not a 911. It's totally irrelevant. If Porsche decides that the 993, 964, and 996 are 911's, then they are ALL 911's. Each and every one of them represent the same model. Who am I to contest that?
Personally, I'd have loved it if there was a 928 Turbo, 928 Carrera 4, 928 Cabrio and Targa (a glass-roofed 928! How unbelievably cool is that?
). But none such existed from the factory. 
Sometimes I think that market forces as well as internal infighting within the Porsche organisation effectively curtailed the potential development of the 928 line in motorsports and other areas of performance. And that's a real shame.Regards,
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08-05-2004, 03:35 AM
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Yeah Joe,
the development of the 928 was very singular.
17 years of 'just a coupe' is a long haul, with very little variation...
Little enough has been done to the engines (who can use all the standard power?); and it seems even less to the body (again, many have said how can you improve on it?)
Perhaps, as cheaper examples come up on eBay, etc, enthusiasts will start making more of their own versions, to make up for the lack of Targa, Cabrio, etc, variations.
I recently (at the last Cairns Porsche Club meet) saw a 928 import from Hong Kong which has a big body kit, making it look about a quarter wider than normal at the rear: a beautifully flared, fat-arsed thing with both roof spoiler and wider custom tail spoiler that was just awesome... The hood had two nicely let-in scoops which reminded me of stubby 924 turbo vents, grilled and placed right where they were needed...
Ah, but we're getting into a whole new topic here...
Hmmmm... 928 Targa, eh
Cheers,
Phill targa, eh... mumble
mumbelmumble
targa, you say... mumble
the development of the 928 was very singular.
17 years of 'just a coupe' is a long haul, with very little variation...
Little enough has been done to the engines (who can use all the standard power?); and it seems even less to the body (again, many have said how can you improve on it?)
Perhaps, as cheaper examples come up on eBay, etc, enthusiasts will start making more of their own versions, to make up for the lack of Targa, Cabrio, etc, variations.
I recently (at the last Cairns Porsche Club meet) saw a 928 import from Hong Kong which has a big body kit, making it look about a quarter wider than normal at the rear: a beautifully flared, fat-arsed thing with both roof spoiler and wider custom tail spoiler that was just awesome... The hood had two nicely let-in scoops which reminded me of stubby 924 turbo vents, grilled and placed right where they were needed...
Ah, but we're getting into a whole new topic here...
Hmmmm... 928 Targa, eh
Cheers,
Phill targa, eh... mumble
mumbelmumble
targa, you say... mumble
08-05-2004, 08:16 AM
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Porsche "One Offs"
Porsche family members did get most of Ferry Porsche's special Birthday editions according to published reports. A couple of the volume US dealers also apparently have one or two.
But there are "One Offs" that are sold to the general public. The factory offered me a Euro spec new 911 (930) Turbo in 1983. While still alive, Ferry Porsche reviewed any proposed new paint color to be offered on a preproduction version. The 911 Turbo I was offered could charitably be called "Mustard Metallic". According to the National Sales Manager at Porsche, when Ferry saw this car he muttered "Afrika Korps", gave a "Thumbs Down" and it was "Off with It's Head" for that color.
The most attractive non-production version was a 924 Turbo "Break" or 2-Door Station Wagon I saw at Werkes I a couple of year earlier...don't know what happened to it.
After seeing the Mustard 930, I told them I'd take the alternate 928 offered (US Spec, Beige Metallic), but luckily for me in hindsight, it was one that "Got Away"...
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But there are "One Offs" that are sold to the general public. The factory offered me a Euro spec new 911 (930) Turbo in 1983. While still alive, Ferry Porsche reviewed any proposed new paint color to be offered on a preproduction version. The 911 Turbo I was offered could charitably be called "Mustard Metallic". According to the National Sales Manager at Porsche, when Ferry saw this car he muttered "Afrika Korps", gave a "Thumbs Down" and it was "Off with It's Head" for that color.
The most attractive non-production version was a 924 Turbo "Break" or 2-Door Station Wagon I saw at Werkes I a couple of year earlier...don't know what happened to it.
After seeing the Mustard 930, I told them I'd take the alternate 928 offered (US Spec, Beige Metallic), but luckily for me in hindsight, it was one that "Got Away"...
Perry (42 Years of Porsche Ownership)
08-05-2004, 09:07 AM
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"Best" is obviously subjective, so I'm not going to convince you and you're not going to convince me because there is no absolute right or wrong.
But your argument that the CGT owner has has a bunch of other Porsches doesn't work for me. Of course he does - but if he could only own one, which would it be? For me it would be a 928 GTS 5sp with a 996tt as a close second (and some days the other way around).
And obviously a lot of you guys could be driving a 928 if you wanted to, and chose something else. That's fine by me - I'm not going to say you're wrong. You just asked why a 928 owner would think the 928 is the best Porsche, and I told you why I think it is. I'm not trying to convince you to sell your cars and buy 928s - they're hard enough to find as it is!!!
If I had the money, I'd own at least one of every Porsche made. I still miss my '89 Carrera, and my first 944 was an amazingly fun and reliable car (we won't speak of the 2nd 944 - 'Money Pit'). Even my first Porsche - a '79 924 - convinced me I always wanted to have at least one Porsche in the fleet. And at least for now, that Porsche is the 928.
But your argument that the CGT owner has has a bunch of other Porsches doesn't work for me. Of course he does - but if he could only own one, which would it be? For me it would be a 928 GTS 5sp with a 996tt as a close second (and some days the other way around).
And obviously a lot of you guys could be driving a 928 if you wanted to, and chose something else. That's fine by me - I'm not going to say you're wrong. You just asked why a 928 owner would think the 928 is the best Porsche, and I told you why I think it is. I'm not trying to convince you to sell your cars and buy 928s - they're hard enough to find as it is!!!
If I had the money, I'd own at least one of every Porsche made. I still miss my '89 Carrera, and my first 944 was an amazingly fun and reliable car (we won't speak of the 2nd 944 - 'Money Pit'). Even my first Porsche - a '79 924 - convinced me I always wanted to have at least one Porsche in the fleet. And at least for now, that Porsche is the 928.
08-05-2004, 10:14 AM
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The Subject of this Thread is Fundamentally Flawed...
As amply evidenced by the dialogue and counterpoint, there is and never will be an "agreed to, objective, and logical" basis for ownership of a Porsche or determination of what is "Best" to you. It will always be driven by the most unexplainable human behavioral characteristic...unrequieted "PASSION".Automotive and consumer publications from Road & Track to Consumer Reports have for decades tried to address supposedly "best" objective criteria for comparison of Porsches (and others) and have failed miserably...
So, unless you're the person who inherited his/her Great-Uncles long-cherished 928 instead of the AMC Pacer or Gremlin you really wanted (so you could deliver Subway sandwiches in class), the "Fire that Burns in the Belly" of the clapped-out 914 owner is as great, or even more intense, as the Carrera GT Owner who routinely maintains a 9 digit checking account for necessary pocket cash.
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08-05-2004, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Coleman
Because I get most of the performance of a Carrera GT or 959 in a car I can actually afford to own. Not to mention a car that I can pack my wife and daughter plus luggage into for a 10+ hour drive. Try that in a Carrera GT!
What a 928 may not do as well as another Porsche it does almost as well -- and does it as well or better than most other Porsches. For me, that makes the 928 the better car.
What a 928 may not do as well as another Porsche it does almost as well -- and does it as well or better than most other Porsches. For me, that makes the 928 the better car.
08-05-2004, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
Based on this approach would that not make the Cayenne Turbo even better. It will accelerate about the same, handle about the same and can carry even more luggage then the 928. I will agree that the 928 is a far superior car when traveling long distances over say a 911, however the performance will not even come close to a CGT or a 959. I would not presume to compare my turbo to a CGT and I can assure you my 10 year old turbo 3.6 with mild modifications will hold it's own with most any Porsche made today.
As for 928 performance not being close to a CGT or 959 - what does close mean? If you're talking 0-60 times the 928 gives up a little more than 1 second - that's close compared to most other cars. Top speed? I hardly ever drive more than 150mph anyway. It's all relative. For the way I drive, the 928 is plenty close.
But I'm tired of belaboring my opionion - so you win by default. The CGT is the best Porsche ever. And the 959 is the next best. But you know what? I'm think I'm going to keep my 928. And I wouldn't mind having a '94 3.6 turbo parked next to it!