MiamiNYer

Sadly quiet on this thread. I guess we have all resigned ourselves to another long wait. Seems like the Panamera allocations were the earliest in the group but now production is halted so they’re not moving either. Don’t even have a reason to hound my SA anymore!

Been looking at CPOs but can’t justify it. I feel like I would end up getting half at best when I trade in… Plus I am holding out ridiculous hope that it might not be quite that long…

3-Pedals

I would not be suprised if Porsche stops the factories all together for a month or two.

milrad

I sold my S560 daily once my TTS was on the boat. Not a good move, in hindsight. My new delivery date on TYD is 7/29/22. Not going to be happy getting a MY22 at the end of July.

NYCGT3

I am 100% with you on the model year issue. Few people are addressing this. My rebuild delivery date is 7/22. I didn’t sign up for an essentially one year old vehicle. Model year changeovers usually start in August…. We should be given a choice…. Maybe 60 days later for a ‘23? Something to that effect…

P_Bass

I think the situation is quite bad. Over in Audiland, they have had to shut down all of Neckarsulm and 2/3 of Ingostadt due to the wire harness issue for 2 solid weeks, at least. Basically all the MLB platform cars impacted, which is huge volume. How long for wire harness suppliers to re-tool production at another site and start flowing materials? I'm guessing it's not 2 weeks, but more like month at least if you think about what's involved. And that's just that one particular issue.

MiamiNYer

And we don’t even really know when our build dates will be given all these delays. If brand new orders are also being pushed out, do you think they might delay the changeover dates?

3-Pedals

I dont think we are going to get our cars before Fall. And whats upsetting is Porsche has been very tight lipped

Big Swole

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ladylow87

Fall is my prediction as well - at best. And I'm sure they'll push back the production year end to "accommodate".

P_Bass

Over on Audi formum we are discussing how long it really is going to take to get wire harnesses made in an other location. Figures like one month vs. 3 months are being batted around. I can't tell whether that's real information from trade press or just informed speculation. ONe things for sure, Audi's entire B chassis lines in Germany are current at total stop for the next few weeks at least.

peterdouglas

Thank you very much !
can you please provide a link to the Audi forum(s) that are discussing these issues?

NYCGT3

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3-Pedals

That is dreaming. We had months of delays due to far more benign hiccups than factories completely shutting down. Its going to take weeks just to hire people and train them. Its basic mathematics. If Leoni has 4 factories of which 2 were lost in Ukraine, there is no way the other 2 can ramp up production to keep up with the demand without hiring additional staff. Factories produce X amount using Y number of staff. You cant go to 2X without 2Y in the same amount of time.

Fullyield

Much what I have read is speculation as neither Porsche nor the wiring harness mfgr has said anything except: 1. Porsche assembly line in Leipzig shutdown for two weeks and 2 Wiring harness mfgr’r retooling its other plants (Morocco most likely) to make up for the Ukrainian shortfall. Current 911 freeze dates in March and CP8 production dates in April have not been changed in TYD notwithstanding the new, vague banner posted discussing delays. Porsche dealer document regarding production appears genuine but TYD for 911 April production has not been changed???? So I suspect your individual delay greatly depends on the specific model and specific assembly line as Porsche wiring harnesses are produced around the world. I think the VAG, Audi, Porsche SUV shared platforms took the biggest hit which makes sense because they all use a shared platform so probably same harness most likely. BMW was hit too.

Fullyield

Leoni is global company with factories around the world doing Fiber, cable, optics work in addition to automotive wiring harnesses. It has factories all over Eastern Europe(Romania, Slovakia, etc.) and in N.Africa andMexico. The two Ukrainian factories are located in western UK. Leoni voluntarily shut them down so the workers could address family issues and fight. Leoni reportedly moving its workers who can and want to leave to work in its other nearby factories per Eastern Europe press reports. Could be fake news…..who knows for sure?