OFFICIAL Cayenne Hybrid Delay Thread
#46
The question for me would be waiting on a 2020 (or even 2021) E-Hybrid, because of the upgraded battery pack that has been announced that could have 10-30% longer range; it isn't clear to me if the upgrade will be in the 2020 models or the 2021 models. I heard coming next year (via an Oliver Blume interview a couple months ago, posted online), which would suggest to me MY2021.
So I just accepted the fact I'm buying a new Cayenne, enjoying and keeping it for 4-6 years and worry about the future later.
#47
I got concerned about this too right after I put my order for a 2019 E-Hybrid but I think if I keep waiting for the next technology I will never buy one. I guarantee if the new upgraded battery comes with MY2021 we will be talking about a newer version of battery for the MY20XX E-Hybrid.
So I just accepted the fact I'm buying a new Cayenne, enjoying and keeping it for 4-6 years and worry about the future later.
So I just accepted the fact I'm buying a new Cayenne, enjoying and keeping it for 4-6 years and worry about the future later.
My current thinking is to wait until the Cayenne Coupé comes out in E-Hybrid form, with probably the improved battery pack, in the next year or two, and trade in for that.
#49
Mark
#52
Not to be a provocateur....
but...
1. good things come to those that wait
2. right now, *performance* e-hybrids are a really good idea. Ferrari thinks so - their fastest car ever will be a plug-in hybrid with a 15 mile range- https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/30/fe...ter-than-ever/
3. would you rather have traditional technology, labeled as a "2020" (whatever that means), or the future labeled as a 2019?
4. It's June. e-hybrids will be here in ~ 3 months. How long is that relative to how long you'll own / lease the car?
OK flame away I asked for it (-:
but...
1. good things come to those that wait
2. right now, *performance* e-hybrids are a really good idea. Ferrari thinks so - their fastest car ever will be a plug-in hybrid with a 15 mile range- https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/30/fe...ter-than-ever/
3. would you rather have traditional technology, labeled as a "2020" (whatever that means), or the future labeled as a 2019?
4. It's June. e-hybrids will be here in ~ 3 months. How long is that relative to how long you'll own / lease the car?
OK flame away I asked for it (-:
#53
I agree with all of the above. However, my Panamera S e-Hybrid lemon replacement has been in the works since November. PCNA wants a VIN within the week, and my preferred Cayenne Hybrid is still waiting at the port. I have to pull the trigger, or go through the hassle of buying/renting an in-between car. The matter has already been complicated and drawn out enough. We're ready to complete this 2 year ordeal.
#54
I agree with all of the above. However, my Panamera S e-Hybrid lemon replacement has been in the works since November. PCNA wants a VIN within the week, and my preferred Cayenne Hybrid is still waiting at the port. I have to pull the trigger, or go through the hassle of buying/renting an in-between car. The matter has already been complicated and drawn out enough. We're ready to complete this 2 year ordeal.
#56
Not to be a provocateur....
but...
1. good things come to those that wait
2. right now, *performance* e-hybrids are a really good idea. Ferrari thinks so - their fastest car ever will be a plug-in hybrid with a 15 mile range- https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/30/fe...ter-than-ever/
3. would you rather have traditional technology, labeled as a "2020" (whatever that means), or the future labeled as a 2019?
4. It's June. e-hybrids will be here in ~ 3 months. How long is that relative to how long you'll own / lease the car?
OK flame away I asked for it (-:
but...
1. good things come to those that wait
2. right now, *performance* e-hybrids are a really good idea. Ferrari thinks so - their fastest car ever will be a plug-in hybrid with a 15 mile range- https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/30/fe...ter-than-ever/
3. would you rather have traditional technology, labeled as a "2020" (whatever that means), or the future labeled as a 2019?
4. It's June. e-hybrids will be here in ~ 3 months. How long is that relative to how long you'll own / lease the car?
OK flame away I asked for it (-:
Your point is valid, and affects me on my CTT as well. The problem is that the 2020's will likely be delayed as well, but not as much, hopefully. The question is what is the financial ramifications for taking a 2019 in August, or even September. And that is my issue.
#57
I wanted to put a quick question out there for everyone:
I occasionally check the IRS, EPA, & CARB websites to check on the Cayenne E-Hybrid's certification/rebate, and it seems the rebate amount has been listed on the EPA site and with the IRS.
The IRS has it listed as a "2019 Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid" with a rebate amount of $6,712 (same as 2019 Panamera hybrids, which increased from the $6,670 for the 2018MY). The EPA website, however, says that the same car (yes, it says 2019) has a rebate of $4,752 (that's even less than what the previous gen hybrids received). I believe the latter is a typo, but I just wanted to check in with the community to see if anyone has heard anything.
I also wanted to update people on lease numbers, if they're interested: 36 months / 10k miles ; 0.0029 MF (~6.96%) ; 58% residual + 1% w/ prepaid maintenance (so I assume since PCNA is giving it to us, we'd be able to lease at the +1% residual) ; MRM $96,200
MarkToff mentioned an unofficial dealer rumor saying that deliveries could be pushed earlier by a month. This would be great news!
Anyone else know additional details they can contribute?
Thanks,
Sam
PS: Thanks for making this one of the highest viewed threads on the 2019 Cayenne sub-forum
I occasionally check the IRS, EPA, & CARB websites to check on the Cayenne E-Hybrid's certification/rebate, and it seems the rebate amount has been listed on the EPA site and with the IRS.
The IRS has it listed as a "2019 Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid" with a rebate amount of $6,712 (same as 2019 Panamera hybrids, which increased from the $6,670 for the 2018MY). The EPA website, however, says that the same car (yes, it says 2019) has a rebate of $4,752 (that's even less than what the previous gen hybrids received). I believe the latter is a typo, but I just wanted to check in with the community to see if anyone has heard anything.
I also wanted to update people on lease numbers, if they're interested: 36 months / 10k miles ; 0.0029 MF (~6.96%) ; 58% residual + 1% w/ prepaid maintenance (so I assume since PCNA is giving it to us, we'd be able to lease at the +1% residual) ; MRM $96,200
MarkToff mentioned an unofficial dealer rumor saying that deliveries could be pushed earlier by a month. This would be great news!
Anyone else know additional details they can contribute?
Thanks,
Sam
PS: Thanks for making this one of the highest viewed threads on the 2019 Cayenne sub-forum
#58
I thought I would share my experience from the UK as I see most of the posts on this thread are from the US.
I put the down payment on an e-hybrid back in September 2018. I was told at the time they expected deliveries in Jan/Feb. January came and this was revised to April. Same thing happened in April and they would 'hopefully' hear something in May. Its now June and they said delivery will be hopefully (there's that word again) in September. To date, they have had no hybrid allocations.
They have said that Porsche GB will swallow the price increase when it eventually happens, and they are keeping me happy with weekend loaners from the rest of the range, but i'm getting a little twitchy now. Especially when I keep hearing all of the updates prefixed with 'hopefully'. They have told me that the reasons for the delay is that they are 'updating the drivetrain' which they think will mean an increased battery range. So I find it really interesting to read that some have had their cars built in this period (albeit in the US/Canada), and am a little confused as to what the hold up here in the UK is.
I have been happy to wait as the Cayenne E-Hybrid is by far the best hybrid SUV available in the UK (again, my opinion). I also test drove the RR Sport P400E, Audi Q7 E-Tron (when it was available here) and the Volvo XC90. The RR the only real contender. The trouble is we seem to be between models here in the UK at the moment with the likes of Audi, BMW and MB all waiting for release of their 2020 hybrid SUV models.
I am set on a hybrid as IMO the performance is fantastic, and I live within commutable distance from my office on all E-Power with a charging station at work - and I am not quite ready to bounce over to all-electric just yet.
Would love to hear some other experiences in the UK and whether they are similar to mine... or not.
Cheers.
I put the down payment on an e-hybrid back in September 2018. I was told at the time they expected deliveries in Jan/Feb. January came and this was revised to April. Same thing happened in April and they would 'hopefully' hear something in May. Its now June and they said delivery will be hopefully (there's that word again) in September. To date, they have had no hybrid allocations.
They have said that Porsche GB will swallow the price increase when it eventually happens, and they are keeping me happy with weekend loaners from the rest of the range, but i'm getting a little twitchy now. Especially when I keep hearing all of the updates prefixed with 'hopefully'. They have told me that the reasons for the delay is that they are 'updating the drivetrain' which they think will mean an increased battery range. So I find it really interesting to read that some have had their cars built in this period (albeit in the US/Canada), and am a little confused as to what the hold up here in the UK is.
I have been happy to wait as the Cayenne E-Hybrid is by far the best hybrid SUV available in the UK (again, my opinion). I also test drove the RR Sport P400E, Audi Q7 E-Tron (when it was available here) and the Volvo XC90. The RR the only real contender. The trouble is we seem to be between models here in the UK at the moment with the likes of Audi, BMW and MB all waiting for release of their 2020 hybrid SUV models.
I am set on a hybrid as IMO the performance is fantastic, and I live within commutable distance from my office on all E-Power with a charging station at work - and I am not quite ready to bounce over to all-electric just yet.
Would love to hear some other experiences in the UK and whether they are similar to mine... or not.
Cheers.
#59
earthwormjim, which dealer have you dealt with in UK? I put my £3k deposit down just after you - late autumn - straight after the factories re-openned but the SA did state even at that time that WLTP certification issues have put an indefinite hold, ie none produced since the summer closures, at least for the EU market.
They've given me three different loaners since March but yesterday (at the Porsche family funday sunday), they've offered the S, for delivery sept new plate, if i did not want to wait 'indefinitely' for a ehybrid which may or may not appear.
Apparently, the ehybrid sales have taken a hit in any case, since first year allowance disappeared, removal of gov grant, exclusion of high end cars from tax disc concessions etc etc but i don't really know much about these.
They've given me three different loaners since March but yesterday (at the Porsche family funday sunday), they've offered the S, for delivery sept new plate, if i did not want to wait 'indefinitely' for a ehybrid which may or may not appear.
Apparently, the ehybrid sales have taken a hit in any case, since first year allowance disappeared, removal of gov grant, exclusion of high end cars from tax disc concessions etc etc but i don't really know much about these.
#60
earthwormjim, which dealer have you dealt with in UK? I put my £3k deposit down just after you - late autumn - straight after the factories re-openned but the SA did state even at that time that WLTP certification issues have put an indefinite hold, ie none produced since the summer closures, at least for the EU market.
They've given me three different loaners since March but yesterday (at the Porsche family funday sunday), they've offered the S, for delivery sept new plate, if i did not want to wait 'indefinitely' for a ehybrid which may or may not appear.
Apparently, the ehybrid sales have taken a hit in any case, since first year allowance disappeared, removal of gov grant, exclusion of high end cars from tax disc concessions etc etc but i don't really know much about these.
They've given me three different loaners since March but yesterday (at the Porsche family funday sunday), they've offered the S, for delivery sept new plate, if i did not want to wait 'indefinitely' for a ehybrid which may or may not appear.
Apparently, the ehybrid sales have taken a hit in any case, since first year allowance disappeared, removal of gov grant, exclusion of high end cars from tax disc concessions etc etc but i don't really know much about these.
They did initially tell me that production was on hold but expected it to be re-opened in the multiple timescales I mentioned in my previous post. It’s just frustrating, i’m not surprised to read the sales have taken a hit. I don’t believe most would be as patient as I have been, not to mention the loss of the incentives.