Diesel Cayenne and VW emission issue
12-23-2016, 09:23 AM
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I was hoping that the details would be out by now, as I'm thinking about whether it makes sense to buy a used Cayenne diesel. Sounds like I need to wait until the dust settles on the specifics. I've asked a couple of sellers and in neither case did they think their vehicle (both 2013 CDs) were involved.
As someone who bought now, you wouldn't be receiving much of anything in the way of compensation. Your only real wonder, of you were to buy now, would be if the proposed fix is ever approved. If it is not, VW would have to buyback your car OR get an alternative fix approved, which doesn't meet the same standards, and offer you that or buy back your car.
12-23-2016, 11:37 AM
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All Cayenne Diesels are involved. They are all classified as gen 2 3 liter cars according to the case.
As someone who bought now, you wouldn't be receiving much of anything in the way of compensation. Your only real wonder, of you were to buy now, would be if the proposed fix is ever approved. If it is not, VW would have to buyback your car OR get an alternative fix approved, which doesn't meet the same standards, and offer you that or buy back your car.
As someone who bought now, you wouldn't be receiving much of anything in the way of compensation. Your only real wonder, of you were to buy now, would be if the proposed fix is ever approved. If it is not, VW would have to buyback your car OR get an alternative fix approved, which doesn't meet the same standards, and offer you that or buy back your car.
12-23-2016, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PJ Cayenne
I would add that your other real wonder would be performance, economy and reliability after the fix.
12-23-2016, 12:21 PM
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Remember when the CEO of Porsche Oliver Blume said the following in January 2016:
"Blume says that for 2013 and 2014 Cayenne models, the fix would involve replacing catalytic converters and flashing the ECU, while for 2015 and 2016 models, which make up more than half of all Cayennes affected, the software update alone would suffice to get the 3.0-liter diesel in line with EPA emissions laws."
http://jalopnik.com/porsche-thinks-i...ing-1752706240
So, either that article was fake or they admitted that it will no be the simple software fix that was mentioned now for the 2013 and 2014 MY (I think referred to Gen 2.1). And even that fix was never approved, actually rejected in summer.
Thanks for the list of timelines.
Happy Holidays !
"Blume says that for 2013 and 2014 Cayenne models, the fix would involve replacing catalytic converters and flashing the ECU, while for 2015 and 2016 models, which make up more than half of all Cayennes affected, the software update alone would suffice to get the 3.0-liter diesel in line with EPA emissions laws."
http://jalopnik.com/porsche-thinks-i...ing-1752706240
So, either that article was fake or they admitted that it will no be the simple software fix that was mentioned now for the 2013 and 2014 MY (I think referred to Gen 2.1). And even that fix was never approved, actually rejected in summer.
Thanks for the list of timelines.
Happy Holidays !
12-23-2016, 01:35 PM
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12-23-2016, 01:44 PM
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12-23-2016, 01:48 PM
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12-23-2016, 02:43 PM
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if a fix is offered i'll have my shop throw the car on the 4wd dyno and run it for a baseline :-)
12-23-2016, 03:30 PM
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We also have a GL350 and it has a lot more turbo lag and lower mpg than the CD. Test drove x5 and was the same. I wonder if the fix would cause the CD to drive more like those.
12-23-2016, 04:15 PM
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I think the lower turbo lag is due to the innovative turbos (variable vanes) used in the VW, Audi and Porsche turbo equipped cars. I think this was originally an invention of Porsche for their gasoline 911 turbos.
12-23-2016, 05:00 PM
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My residual value (~48k) was likely much higher than what the market price would have been. The lack of a clearly defined fix and the potential impact on performance/efficiency made me hesitant even though the CD was one of my favorite cars I've ever owned. So I turned it in when the lease was up and moved on. I read an article that comp on the 2.0 cars for leased vehicles is 50% of what owners got.
12-23-2016, 05:32 PM
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Not sure if BMW and Benz are using them though.
My residual value (~48k) was likely much higher than what the market price would have been. The lack of a clearly defined fix and the potential impact on performance/efficiency made me hesitant even though the CD was one of my favorite cars I've ever owned. So I turned it in when the lease was up and moved on. I read an article that comp on the 2.0 cars for leased vehicles is 50% of what owners got.
I wonder if you can go back and buy it back for less as a used purchase?