The 997 GT3/RS Cars For Sale Thread...
09-01-2021, 12:35 PM
#9796
Given this info, I think the SY car with the 3.9 upgrade is priced a bit high. Even with the sharkwerks build, I do not think it will sell at 150k. the build is a somewhat sunk cost imo. What you guys think? I think 130-135 would be a good price to pick it up at given the upgrades.
09-01-2021, 01:20 PM
#9797
inline with the atlas grey car with ~42k miles that sold for 115 a month or so ago. Seems like the new bottom for a high mileage driver is 110-120k (110 probably something with high 40s or low 50s).
Given this info, I think the SY car with the 3.9 upgrade is priced a bit high. Even with the sharkwerks build, I do not think it will sell at 150k. the build is a somewhat sunk cost imo. What you guys think? I think 130-135 would be a good price to pick it up at given the upgrades.
Given this info, I think the SY car with the 3.9 upgrade is priced a bit high. Even with the sharkwerks build, I do not think it will sell at 150k. the build is a somewhat sunk cost imo. What you guys think? I think 130-135 would be a good price to pick it up at given the upgrades.
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09-01-2021, 02:57 PM
#9799
I agree (on both counts). and just to clarify, I believe you guys are referring to only dot 1's.
Also wanted to chime in again on the GTS cars that are now reaching all new highs. $100k plus for cars in the 40-50k mileage range.
I've been following that sub-forum thread, mostly because that is the car I test drove before I decided it was not "raw" enough for me. .... I freely admit that is JUST ME & my own personal opinion,... but it is WILD to see & hear all the guys over there so ADAMENT that the 997 GTS is by far the best formula that Porsche has ever built. Most of them (IMO) have such a old skool opinion,... & they all agree with each other too, that the GT3 is for the track & not the street. Suspension is too stiff, tranny to notchy, too low to the ground, etc etc. ....This is just so foreign to me as my 997.2 is so perfectly compliant on the streets. I suppose it mostly because I have come from the air-cooled vintages, & a 997 GT3 suspension is sooo much better (not taking anything away from the entire experience I get with my 964. I still love it & 50% of time choose it over the GT3. It is nostalgia)
Here's a very recent data point: It was our own Rennlister Sandwedge that won the auction. 46k miles. Orig MSRP was $123k. Sold for $104,475 all-in. Albeit Sandwedge DOES admit that he should have NEVER sold his 997.2 GT3 oh-so many years ago.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...arrera-gts-20/
So yea Zach & Joe, you guys are spot on. But the market is still even crazier outside of the GT Motorsport cars.
Oh, and here was another one above $100k ... https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...7-carrera-gts/
... and here's a white one at $120k asking price from Isringhausen - 2011 GTS w/ 23k miles
https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/...reowned-Y90KG7
wow. Eventually, in my opinion, our 997 GT cars will creep even higher.
Also wanted to chime in again on the GTS cars that are now reaching all new highs. $100k plus for cars in the 40-50k mileage range.
I've been following that sub-forum thread, mostly because that is the car I test drove before I decided it was not "raw" enough for me. .... I freely admit that is JUST ME & my own personal opinion,... but it is WILD to see & hear all the guys over there so ADAMENT that the 997 GTS is by far the best formula that Porsche has ever built. Most of them (IMO) have such a old skool opinion,... & they all agree with each other too, that the GT3 is for the track & not the street. Suspension is too stiff, tranny to notchy, too low to the ground, etc etc. ....This is just so foreign to me as my 997.2 is so perfectly compliant on the streets. I suppose it mostly because I have come from the air-cooled vintages, & a 997 GT3 suspension is sooo much better (not taking anything away from the entire experience I get with my 964. I still love it & 50% of time choose it over the GT3. It is nostalgia)
Here's a very recent data point: It was our own Rennlister Sandwedge that won the auction. 46k miles. Orig MSRP was $123k. Sold for $104,475 all-in. Albeit Sandwedge DOES admit that he should have NEVER sold his 997.2 GT3 oh-so many years ago.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...arrera-gts-20/
So yea Zach & Joe, you guys are spot on. But the market is still even crazier outside of the GT Motorsport cars.
Oh, and here was another one above $100k ... https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...7-carrera-gts/
... and here's a white one at $120k asking price from Isringhausen - 2011 GTS w/ 23k miles
https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/...reowned-Y90KG7
wow. Eventually, in my opinion, our 997 GT cars will creep even higher.
09-01-2021, 03:15 PM
#9800
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I wish I could have held out a little longer before selling my GTS, but no space for it. Still I got just over $105k for it. And though it is a terrific car it's so different from a GT3. I could never go back.
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09-01-2021, 03:59 PM
#9801
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I agree (on both counts). and just to clarify, I believe you guys are referring to only dot 1's.
Also wanted to chime in again on the GTS cars that are now reaching all new highs. $100k plus for cars in the 40-50k mileage range.
I've been following that sub-forum thread, mostly because that is the car I test drove before I decided it was not "raw" enough for me. .... I freely admit that is JUST ME & my own personal opinion,... but it is WILD to see & hear all the guys over there so ADAMENT that the 997 GTS is by far the best formula that Porsche has ever built. Most of them (IMO) have such a old skool opinion,... & they all agree with each other too, that the GT3 is for the track & not the street. Suspension is too stiff, tranny to notchy, too low to the ground, etc etc. ....This is just so foreign to me as my 997.2 is so perfectly compliant on the streets. I suppose it mostly because I have come from the air-cooled vintages, & a 997 GT3 suspension is sooo much better (not taking anything away from the entire experience I get with my 964. I still love it & 50% of time choose it over the GT3. It is nostalgia)
Here's a very recent data point: It was our own Rennlister Sandwedge that won the auction. 46k miles. Orig MSRP was $123k. Sold for $104,475 all-in. Albeit Sandwedge DOES admit that he should have NEVER sold his 997.2 GT3 oh-so many years ago.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...arrera-gts-20/
So yea Zach & Joe, you guys are spot on. But the market is still even crazier outside of the GT Motorsport cars.
Oh, and here was another one above $100k ... https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...7-carrera-gts/
... and here's a white one at $120k asking price from Isringhausen - 2011 GTS w/ 23k miles
https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/...reowned-Y90KG7
wow. Eventually, in my opinion, our 997 GT cars will creep even higher.
Also wanted to chime in again on the GTS cars that are now reaching all new highs. $100k plus for cars in the 40-50k mileage range.
I've been following that sub-forum thread, mostly because that is the car I test drove before I decided it was not "raw" enough for me. .... I freely admit that is JUST ME & my own personal opinion,... but it is WILD to see & hear all the guys over there so ADAMENT that the 997 GTS is by far the best formula that Porsche has ever built. Most of them (IMO) have such a old skool opinion,... & they all agree with each other too, that the GT3 is for the track & not the street. Suspension is too stiff, tranny to notchy, too low to the ground, etc etc. ....This is just so foreign to me as my 997.2 is so perfectly compliant on the streets. I suppose it mostly because I have come from the air-cooled vintages, & a 997 GT3 suspension is sooo much better (not taking anything away from the entire experience I get with my 964. I still love it & 50% of time choose it over the GT3. It is nostalgia)
Here's a very recent data point: It was our own Rennlister Sandwedge that won the auction. 46k miles. Orig MSRP was $123k. Sold for $104,475 all-in. Albeit Sandwedge DOES admit that he should have NEVER sold his 997.2 GT3 oh-so many years ago.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...arrera-gts-20/
So yea Zach & Joe, you guys are spot on. But the market is still even crazier outside of the GT Motorsport cars.
Oh, and here was another one above $100k ... https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...7-carrera-gts/
... and here's a white one at $120k asking price from Isringhausen - 2011 GTS w/ 23k miles
https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/...reowned-Y90KG7
wow. Eventually, in my opinion, our 997 GT cars will creep even higher.
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09-01-2021, 04:59 PM
#9802
There is a reason one car is developed by the mad genius's at porsche motorsport where as the other is not. Andreas P makes sure these cars are a different breed. Does not matter which generation you are talking about. Each one is unique and awesome.
09-01-2021, 05:20 PM
#9803
Burning Brakes
All of these cars are great and slightly different flavors of eachother at the end of the day. Somedays Strawberry Banana is better and somedays Strawberry Kiwi.
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09-01-2021, 06:04 PM
#9804
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Steve, it's not just your opinion. I feel the exact same way about the GTS vs. GT3 and I would say that based on circumstances, my view is quite unbiased. I searched for over a year for the "perfect" 997 GTS while I already owned a 997 Turbo. I wanted that more raw driving experience that I felt the Turbo lacked. In 2019 I finally found a perfectly spec'd manual GTS with only 14k miles on it and bought it. It was a companion to my 997TT and I drove both for some time while I was getting ready to sell the Turbo in order to free up some garage space. Surprisingly, and to my great disappointment, I found myself feeling unimpressed by the GTS. While it was a great all around car, and certainly the ultimate Carrera, I did not find it to be overly exciting. Maybe I built it up too much in my head by reading all the accolades, but the reality didn't live up to the hype. As much as I wanted to love it, having invested so much time searching for it, I simply didn't. I ended up selling the GTS and keeping the Turbo, the exact opposite of what I had intended. I then set out on my search for a GT3, hoping that would give me the raw feel that the GTS lacked. One year later, I found and bought the GT3 and parked it next to my Turbo, just as I had done with the GTS. It only took a few back to back drives of both cars to eliminate any doubts about which car would stay and which one would go this time around. Suffice it to say, there is no more Turbo in my garage. In my humble opinion there is simply no comparison between the GTS and GT3. Anyone who says a GTS is basically a more comfortable GT3 is either lying to themselves, has never driven both cars, or both. I'm not saying one is better than the other. Only intended use and personal tastes can determine what is "best". The GTS is probably the better choice for a daily or commuter. It is an extremely well rounded car that does everything. But for pure rawness and driving experience, there simply is no comparison between the two. The GT3 is so far ahead that you really have to question the motives of anyone who says otherwise.
Anyone who have driven a regular Carrera (any models) and a GT3 will tell you that they are completely different cars. While the step up in stats on paper isn't that much, the step up in sensation and feel is an order of magnitude different.
Zero regret waiting and getting the GT3 over the GTS.
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09-01-2021, 06:08 PM
#9805
Yep, I was shopping for a GTS for the longest time - thinking the same thing and having read all the reviews about it. But as I really dig into the spec and knowing what actually "makes" a car feel different. I came to the conclusion that a GTS is not a "baby" GT3, but a nicer, rarer, slightly faster C2S. Obviously GTS were hard to come by so I went and test drove a Carrera S and while I came away impressed, it didn't "wow" me, especially the engine. While powerful and fast, it was a very very nice road car, and definitely not categorically different than my E46 M3. In the end, because of this I decided to wait and look for a GT3 instead.
Anyone who have driven a regular Carrera (any models) and a GT3 will tell you that they are completely different cars. While the step up in stats on paper isn't that much, the step up in sensation and feel is an order of magnitude different.
Zero regret waiting and getting the GT3 over the GTS.
Anyone who have driven a regular Carrera (any models) and a GT3 will tell you that they are completely different cars. While the step up in stats on paper isn't that much, the step up in sensation and feel is an order of magnitude different.
Zero regret waiting and getting the GT3 over the GTS.
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09-01-2021, 11:02 PM
#9807
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A 996 GT3 with 27k miles sold today in BAT for $105k with fees. Based on this and other current sales, you can easily see a 997.1 GT3 sell for $120 plus.
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09-01-2021, 11:58 PM
#9808
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I still own both. Every time I think about selling the GTS, I drive it and remember just how ****ing good it is around town. Driving the GT3 around town feels like a waste.
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09-02-2021, 12:57 AM
#9809
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If you want the best weekend/daily car go Turbo. If you go to the track more than half dozen or so times a year GT3.
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