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What do you think this comes down to mostly, feel? I have a 996TT and am in a newer to me 718 GT4. The GT4 isn't quite a spaceship like a C8 Corvette, but with the limits much higher and with how competent it is, you need to be going a lot faster to feel the "fizz" especially with the electric steering vs. hydraulic. But yeah there seems like there's probably a unique experience you get from a 996 or 997 GT3 that you aren't going to get from a newer car and there simply aren't that many of them. Sometimes I wonder if I'd be happier in one of those to sort of split the difference, but I'd have to actually drive one first.
Cars keep getting bigger, sound deadening, electrically assisted versus hydraulic steering, electronic driver aids, adjustable dampers. Going farther back, its electronic fuel injection as well. The more refined the cars get, the more removed they are from the road.
Cars keep getting bigger, sound deadening, electrically assisted versus hydraulic steering, electronic driver aids, adjustable dampers. Going farther back, its electronic fuel injection as well. The more refined the cars get, the more removed they are from the road.
drove 991.2 GT3 (non-RS) manual and my 997.2 RS back to back, on the same road. Cannot feel a thing in the 991 and it felt softer than my BMW M. don't even get me started on the no feel electronic clutch... 'easy' to drive? yes, but ..........
have not tried the 992 manual GT3 yet
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drove 991.2 GT3 (non-RS) manual and my 997.2 RS back to back, on the same road. Cannot feel a thing in the 991 and it felt softer than my BMW M. don't even get me started on the no feel electronic clutch... 'easy' to drive? yes, but ..........
have not tried the 992 manual GT3 yet
My 7.2 3RS makes my 4RS feel like a Rolls Royce. It's crazy.
drove 991.2 GT3 (non-RS) manual and my 997.2 RS back to back, on the same road. Cannot feel a thing in the 991 and it felt softer than my BMW M. don't even get me started on the no feel electronic clutch... 'easy' to drive? yes, but ..........
have not tried the 992 manual GT3 yet
I have a 991.2 GT3 Touring and had a 997.2 GT3RS. The steering, shifter and, to a degree, size are the biggest differences I’ve found. There was more clutch chatter in the 997.2 GT3RS, but I still get some in the GT3. I notice the extra power in the 991.2, and I find the suspension fairly similar between both cars. I had a Sharkwerks exhaust on both cars. The more I drive the 991.2, the closer I find it to the 997.2 GT3RS absent the steering feel (or I am forgetting what the 997.2 was like).
I have a 718 GT4 coming. I was thinking of selling the GT3 but I worry the GT4 feels less GT-like.
I suppose I should comment again even though this is supposed to be a listings discussion thread. Something I left out that also comes to mind on older modern vs. new cars is that brand new engines still can sound great but they have a sort of digital or synthetic sound to them that the older motors don't have. Are they all direct injection and is that part of it? A 997.2 DFI motor is on paper better than the one it replaced but don't the older motors or a Mezger just have a certain character that is quite distinct from the newer engines?
Cars keep getting bigger, sound deadening, electrically assisted versus hydraulic steering, electronic driver aids, adjustable dampers. Going farther back, its electronic fuel injection as well. The more refined the cars get, the more removed they are from the road.
At the risk of turning this into the lot of us sitting round agreeing with each other...spot on. Late last year I was deciding whether to target a 7.2 or 991.2. Was able to drive the 7.2 track car that sat at Barrington forever back to back with a (PDK) 991.2. Zero question in my mind which was my personal preference after that drive, for all the reasons you mention and more.
The 00s to early 10s really was the magic time of "just modern enough" drivers' cars - across domestics, JDM, and Euro.
Anyone know what happened to that Barrington car? Atlas Grey, 10k mi, supposedly used as a training tool for an IMSA driver's son (per earlier in this thread)...
I suppose I should comment again even though this is supposed to be a listings discussion thread. Something I left out that also comes to mind on older modern vs. new cars is that brand new engines still can sound great but they have a sort of digital or synthetic sound to them that the older motors don't have. Are they all direct injection and is that part of it? A 997.2 DFI motor is on paper better than the one it replaced but don't the older motors or a Mezger just have a certain character that is quite distinct from the newer engines?
I don't know, the 991.2 4.0 is a badass motor. Noticeably more torque than the 997.2 3.8s and the sounds is pretty sweet at 9k RPM. I'd say it has a lot of character. Revs freely and pretty rock solid.
Anyone know what happened to that Barrington car? Atlas Grey, 10k mi, supposedly used as a training tool for an IMSA driver's son (per earlier in this thread)...
I believe it was sold at auction to a FL dealer for $105, my offer was rejected and ended up with a mint black one at $115. I actually wish I had bought that because it had 7200 miles and was tricked out with $30k in goodies like 3-way MCS…the dev report wasn’t bad for a racers car.
I believe it was sold at auction to a FL dealer for $105, my offer was rejected and ended up with a mint black one at $115. I actually wish I had bought that because it had 7200 miles and was tricked out with $30k in goodies like 3-way MCS…the dev report wasn’t bad for a racers car.
Was that this year - or from 2021? Barrington had it again and wanted $150k with just shy of 10k miles as of ~Nov last year…
Doesn't have the lightweight headlights though as I see squirters. Has a stereo too. But, the lack of sport chrono is absolutely beautiful!
Would be very interested to see the delta between ask and actual selling prices. 28k miles for $280k? I don't recall even a sub 10k mile car going for that kinda coin
Would be very interested to see the delta between ask and actual selling prices. 28k miles for $280k? I don't recall even a sub 10k mile car going for that kinda coin
Last similar spec'd car on BAT went for 276K but with 9000 less miles a few weeks back (had 19k miles if I recall).
drove 991.2 GT3 (non-RS) manual and my 997.2 RS back to back, on the same road. Cannot feel a thing in the 991 and it felt softer than my BMW M. don't even get me started on the no feel electronic clutch... 'easy' to drive? yes, but ..........
have not tried the 992 manual GT3 yet
Ya The 991 and 992 clutches are all garbage. . . not sure why they went that direction. It's a huge disappointment
08-22-2023, 10:47 AM
