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Just for grins, I hunted around and found two C4 images from almost identical angles on opposite side of the car so that we could do a side-by-side comparison.
What is most apparent to me is the more diagonal section on the 991 just above the wheel well lip where the arrows are pointing. I know it's subtle in a way, but I think the difference definitely impacts the feel of the hips. You can see definite angle changes just above the wheel into the diagonal and then again at the top of the diagonal. The 997 is more continuously curved.
This photo (more than anything else) puts me off the 991. I was very close to buying one but this kills it for me. Thanks !
Seriously. this had only been discussed 12 dozen times. all you have to do is Google 997 vs 991, rennlist and you'll get all the threads. I don't understand why this is so hard for people.
Before anyone says it I know I didn't have to read it or comment, it just mystifies me that people repeat the same questions over and over again
I understand what you mean, but it is a fact on most very active forums like this one here. If it wasn't for the dozen repetitive questions, you could simply shut the forum down and make it only available as a search engine, cause it would be dead.
Also like most other forums, a lot of people ask an opinion, knowing very well what they wanna hear, and will not be content until they hear that one person that says what they wanna hear, even if the 50 other replies were against it.
Again, there are the regulars that will not accept the truth even when polls and polls show what they deny... some things are just facts that hurt to hear I guess.
So if you can't stand reading the same questions over and over again, might as well slack your presence here... No need to get your nuts all tied up in a knot.
Personally, I think that new input or advice on a repetitive subject, is what life is about, experience and evolvment are built around questionning the same things over and over again....
Cheers and happy reading....
My take on the OPs question is... I think the 997 looks more like that 911 of my youth and wanted that 911 of my dreams. I think the 997 offers a good balance between classic looks with more modern tech. With an updated entertainment system that has android auto and apple car play, the 997 is the best of all worlds to me right now.
I like the 991 and will most likely steer that way in the futur, only if the PDK proves more reliable than in the 997.2. Otherwise it will have to have a good solid warranty.
I’ve been fortunate enough to have had both, currently own an 09 C2S. I switched back to the 997 from a 991 for purely subjective reasons. The 991 was a base model, and coming from an 09S the 991 felt underpowered by comparison. The 991 drove great and did not seem bigger to me. If it had been an S I might have stuck with the 991, but the performance of the base felt anemic below 50 mph, even though it’s published acceleration times are comparable to the 997.2S. They are both great cars in my mind. I recommend getting at least the S if buying a 991.1. I personally prefer the look and feel of the 997 but that could change on the right day. Not worth arguing over, we all have our preferences.
Owning a 997.2 I test drove both 991.1 and 991.2 and the 997 feels like an old timer in comparison, except the unworthy electric steering of the 991.1. The 991.2 GTS that I drove is what the 991.1 should have been - maybe sans the turbos. Looking forward to test drive the 992.1...
My issue with the 991.1 was the looks. 991.2 fixes that for me. Go for the 991.2 if you are ok with the turbos, I think they still sound great, just different.
There is one thing I do like about the 997 - the upright seating position ( which is similar to previous versions) looking essentially down over the hood of the car ( love the view). In the 991, I feel I am sitting on the floor and looking up, out of the car with a less desirable view of the road outside. The front fenders look more in the direction of an LMP race car to me. For me, sitting in the driver's seat, this is what I noticed the most.
I had never considered this, and it is a totally accurate point.
I had both a base 991.1 and a 991.1 GTS (both were in stick and brand new). I never really connected with either of them, coming out of a 996 and 993. They were functionally great, especially the GTS (base was under-powered), however, the rawness and smaller cockpit feel of yesteryear was gone. To add to that, the machine gun exhaust just felt out of place (admittedly after a few months of loving it ha). The 991 chassis is a massive improvement, but for a weekend driver, I became more obsessed with "feel" over anything else. To that end, I'm very happy with my 997.2 C4GTS.. just feels more like what I was used to. The 997 argument is purely subjective, but recent data/sales would say that more people are beginning to feel the same way. but who knows... try before you buy!
I had both a base 991.1 and a 991.1 GTS (both were in stick and brand new). I never really connected with either of them, coming out of a 996 and 993. They were functionally great, especially the GTS (base was under-powered), however, the rawness and smaller cockpit feel of yesteryear was gone. To add to that, the machine gun exhaust just felt out of place (admittedly after a few months of loving it ha). The 991 chassis is a massive improvement, but for a weekend driver, I became more obsessed with "feel" over anything else. To that end, I'm very happy with my 997.2 C4GTS.. just feels more like what I was used to. The 997 argument is purely subjective, but recent data/sales would say that more people are beginning to feel the same way. but who knows... try before you buy!
The opposite of this. People are gravitating towards the 997.
If you look at current pricing, for same mileage and similar year (though sample size is too small), the prices have converged. There is no premium for getting a 991 vs. a 997.2. Arguably the 7.2s are now pricier.
Again, too small a sample size but clearly people are not paying a premium to have the newer model. I would never trade my .2 4S for an equivalent (miles / trim) 991.1 4S. Why would I get the car that looks worse, has less steering feel, and has 0.1 secs better 0-60 time and quarter mile time?
All I really want is a convertible that has good performance, room in the back seat for my grandkids, and doesn't weigh 2 tons. My 997.2 covers the bases pretty well, but performance is a little weak and the back seat is marginal. I would love to have a 991 TTS cab, but I'd have to win the lottery to buy one. I think the longer wheelbase and shorter overhang are a huge improvement in looks. If it has a little more interior room that would be even better.
Unless I missed it... no one mentions the driving dynamics effect the longer wheelbase brings to the 991. For those who crave the "unbalanced" 911 that is a negative. For those who crave the 911 silhouette and want a more balanced car, pick the 991. 911 original fans who understand the benefits of the "unbalanced" chassis they want the 997 or even the 996, on the water-cooled side.
Unless I missed it... no one mentions the driving dynamics effect the longer wheelbase brings to the 991. For those who crave the "unbalanced" 911 that is a negative. For those who crave the 911 silhouette and want a more balanced car, pick the 991. 911 original fans who understand the benefits of the "unbalanced" chassis they want the 997 or even the 996, on the water-cooled side.
The 991 cars inspire much more confidence when being driven hard, whereas with the 997 I can feel its rear end move much earlier (and I don’t mean losing traction) in comparison... And yes, the shorter wheelbase makes the 997 feel different. Though I can absolutely understand people preferring the 991 - it’s just not for me (also not financially...
I have noticed the rear end moving on my 997.2 a few times. I thought maybe something was wrong. It's not something I expected from a low torgue engine with such huge tires and weight in the rear. I'm glad to learn it's not uncommon.
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