Kg11

Here is what looks to be a Clean 997.1 C2 with great wheels and aerokit for under $30k! If no bore scoring issues, this would be a lot of car for the $. Tasteful mods as well.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=265440154

Doug H

That is NOT a factory installed aero kit car and is wrecked and high mileage.

If you read above, we are talking 997.2s. Big difference as I mentioned earlier. 997.1 aero kits are not difficult to find and I would not purchase a 997.1 with an M96/97 for any price due to chance it will score in the near future.

I also mentioned above and it has been discussed on here before that the big premiums apply to low mileage cars (lets say 20k or less). The car you link is a 997.1 with 62k miles. Cars like that that will never command a premium.

997.2s with aero kits are very difficult to find and they generally run $10k more for high quality, low mileage cars. I have been following 997.2 manual S and 4Ss with aerokits and pricing them since 2016/17 and almost pulled the trigger on 2.

Ask Patrick how long he looked for his and what he had to pay. Then take a look at his garage and you can realize he is no neophyte and knows 911s pretty well.

Doug H

Are talking that red GTS? That was not an aero kit. That was some after market tack on fiberglass knock off different style GT3 tail that looked like Steph1s on here.

If a different car, please link it. I have been following GTSs for a while and check for CPOs often.

How quickly did it sale? Was it manual or pdk? Was it factory installed? Did it have clean Carfax?

We have seen 3 GTS manuals listed by Porsche dealers at $73k get purchased by dealers to flip. $77k for a GTS4 with pdk is not a bad price.

Here is the challenge. Find a 997.2 with factory installed aero kit, especially manual, with clean Carfax and less than 20k miles on it and see how much it costs.

bmwfan328

Not only was it added afterward, but it isn’t even an aero kit front. That is a stock 997.2 bumper with GT3tek lower lip added. Wouldn’t be surprised if the rear spoiler is fiberglass aftermarket, too. Way overpriced IMO

Doug H

Not an S, no factory aero kit, 62k miles and a $77k base price AND an accident. $29,750 is too much! Really bad example to try and state aero kit cars do not command a premium.


Prod Month: 2005-04-01 VIN: WP0AA29955S717584 Price: $77,115.00 Exterior: Midnight Blue Metallic Interior: Stone Grey Standard Leather Warranty Start: May 28, 2005

BASE Porsche Base Model 267 Self Dimming Mirrors 342 Heated Front Seats 435 Sport Steering Wheel 446 Wheel Caps with Colored Crest 680 Bose High End Sound Package DC Stone Grey Standard Leather E9 Midnight Blue Metallic M6G Stone Grey Floor Mats P15 Power Seat Package P74 Bi-Xenon Headlamp Package X54 Stainless Steel Exhaust Pipes

TerrestrialFlyte

2010 Carrera S PDK

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=263532655

Kg11

I just said I liked that car: it had nothing to do with the Aerokit 997.2 discussion.

https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1171245

https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1147571

I maintain that if you could find either of these cars without the aerokit, they would have long since sold at $10k less than current asking. I don't know that I have ever seen a GTS with buckets, and certainly not for $66,500 with 22,000 miles, PDK or no PDK. Likewise, any manual GTS4 with less than 50,000 miles would have sold in a day for $69XXX (before the current meltdown). The Aerokit may carry a premium, but it sure isn't $10k in any regular 997.2

the one at my local dealer was for sale for 3.5 weeks during our prime driving season. PDK, but otherwise a great car, no issues, super clean

Doug H

Above, I refer only to 997.2 S and 4S and non-GT when I talk premiums. Never said GTS had same premium.

GTSs are a bad example because the base cars are expensive. People will likely opt for a GT3 before paying over $80k for a GTS pdk with aero kit unless it is super low miles (10k or less).


Car 1:

I already mentioned one of those. It is not a factory installed aero kit and gas 42,000. I saw that he recently dropped it to $80k. Sadly, it will sit a while longer with coronavirus stuff even at this price.

Less than a month ago, he replaced tires, brakes and struts. No wonder it was not selling in the mid-$80s needing all of that done.


Car 2:

We have also talked about the bucket seat car. I have had cars with buckets. I like them. Most people don’t and think they are way too uncomfortable. The car is in Canada and he just dropped it from $80k. Sadly it won’t sale with everything going on right now either and would not sell for $66k without the aero kit right now. This car without the aero kit is a $70k to $72k car in a good non-corona virus, but having to bring it back into the states likely reduces value.

Doug H

Here is a good car and a good deal.

2012 GTS manual Coupe with 52k miles for only $69,990. They just dropped it $6k.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=263619127

Doug H

This is an amazing car for $85k. 2010 turbo with only 24k miles, factory installed aero kit, nice aftermarket center lock rims and 5 year Fidelity warranty. Clean Carfax.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7568/overview/

ThomasCarreraGTS

2012 GTS4 for sale



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nbzxdk

Not sure if it's appropriate to post this here, but I want to get an idea of how much my 997.2 base worth. The series of events happened recently made me think I might need to save more cash for the uncertainty in the coming future.

I purchased it as a CPO car from a Porsche dealer in Sep 2019 (CPO expires in Sep 2021). It's a 2012 MY Black Edition (black exterior, standard black leather interior) Coupe with manual shift. Currently it has around 32K miles. I am the 3rd owner, and the car has protection film applied to the front bumper by the previous owner. In my eye, the car is almost in perfect condition (I know it's subjective)

The options of this 997.2 include: 19 Inch 911 Turbo II Wheel, Seat heat/ventilation, PDLS, Sport Chrono Package, sunroof, GPS and Bluetooth head unit. Definitely not heavily optioned but it's a really good driver's car.

Haven't made up my mind to sell, and I could wait until summer to sell (or not sell it at all); but I am wondering if I am being too optimistic to ask for 55K.

Thanks in advance for my fellow RL members' input!!

hexagone

55 is optimistic.

i recently got 45 for my base 997.2 6sp car in fantastic shape with 45k miles. 10k extra in this uncertain market feels like a big ask

mujeriega

I agree, in this market, you're not going to get anywhere near 55... even with 10k fewer miles (worth about another $2.5-3k usually). I think the # from hex is a good benchmark especially if you're actually trying to sell it.

raidersfan

I paid $45,500 ($43,500 if you deduct the freebees) for my 2009 C4 with similar mileage and options (silver), private party. I would think that $45k would be a reasonable price, given a 2012 (worth more), black (less desirable typically speaking; you will find black cars turn a lot of people off in the 997 world for some reason, having tried to sell an otherwise desirable one), and C2 Black edition (which I don't think carries a premium over a regular C2). Maybe in a normal market you could get $48k; not sure though.

I would start at $45k and see what happens; there aren't many buyers, and you might not get more than $40k right now. $55k would be more than a dealer could get in this current economic climate. Unfortunately, cars aren't liquid and manual 997.2 models don't "always go up in value" unlike what some people say here. I was shocked over the past few months on this thread when some posters were optimistically saying "this manual 997.2 XXX is a good deal" when it was clearly bubble pricing. In fact, anyone buying a car right now because it is a "good deal" is likely to be victim to the "never try and catch a falling knife" metaphor. Nobody knows how bad things will be or what the market will bring. I would hold off. I remember Audi prices crashing in 2015 due to the VW scandal; people were pricing the cars as if Audi was the next Saab. Prices recovered a few months later.

Best of luck to you.