When bore scoring isn't (997.2 bore scoring fear)
#166
Gents - sorry for the delay here. I've been remiss in not answering questions. The noise, strangely, faded somewhat after a couple of weeks. Now, it is still there, but less prominent. I have taken it to a shop that has come highly recommended and will share result soon, but it appears that, while the sound is/was quite foreboding initially, it is not in fact bore scoring. Not trying to create suspense here and apologies for misleading anyone - I was very concerned when I heard that sound! Nobody is happier about this not being a case of bore scoring than me!
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#167
Turns out the sound is attributable to the high-pressure fuel pump. Has anyone ever heard of this? I listened with the mechanic's stethoscope at the shop to each cylinder bore and each sounded very smooth...he had me go through each one with him, and after listening all over had me listen to the HPFP - bam! Clear as day, the sound reproduced to a T. Needless to say, huge sigh of relief. He said (and from what I've read) that soon I may notice hard cold starting etc and to plan on replacing it in the next few months before it becomes an issue. Charged me very little labor as well. Anyhow, I now have a warranty on the car so the question is whether the warranty will cover it as it hasn't yet failed or if I will be required to have the car on a flatbed before it would cover the fix.
Consider me surprised, and a little sheepish.
Consider me surprised, and a little sheepish.
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#168
Oh wow, what a story. That is great it is not a big problem, and hopefully this thread will help others.
i guess you dropped 3k to figure it out .. just goes to show how critical it is to get to the right mechanic and first time
i guess you dropped 3k to figure it out .. just goes to show how critical it is to get to the right mechanic and first time
#169
1) Weird sound.
2) Uh-Oh...sounds like piston slap! OMG....that's not going to be pretty. [at this juncture we inject the time stress from the 'warranty']
3) Got to bore-scope.
4) Should bore-scope from bottom.
5) Top showed nada.
6) Bottom showed nada.
Lived with it.
Wise mechanic uses one of the least expensive, non-invasive tools in his kit and locates the noise exactly.
Yep, a lesson here. Somewhat happy ending.
#170
#171
What I find interesting in this entire thread is how the diagnosis of the problem followed what we might call an "understood trend".
1) Weird sound.
2) Uh-Oh...sounds like piston slap! OMG....that's not going to be pretty. [at this juncture we inject the time stress from the 'warranty']
3) Got to bore-scope.
4) Should bore-scope from bottom.
5) Top showed nada.
6) Bottom showed nada.
Lived with it.
Wise mechanic uses one of the least expensive, non-invasive tools in his kit and locates the noise exactly.
Yep, a lesson here. Somewhat happy ending.
1) Weird sound.
2) Uh-Oh...sounds like piston slap! OMG....that's not going to be pretty. [at this juncture we inject the time stress from the 'warranty']
3) Got to bore-scope.
4) Should bore-scope from bottom.
5) Top showed nada.
6) Bottom showed nada.
Lived with it.
Wise mechanic uses one of the least expensive, non-invasive tools in his kit and locates the noise exactly.
Yep, a lesson here. Somewhat happy ending.
#172
Great points here - and you’re spot on. Rather than follow a normal diagnostic paradigm I jumped to what I feared was wrong (to be fair, the first mechanic also suggested this was an internal engine issue). Anyhow, somewhat happy ending as you say - more expensive than I’d like, but less than an engine rebuild!
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#174
Great points here - and you’re spot on. Rather than follow a normal diagnostic paradigm I jumped to what I feared was wrong (to be fair, the first mechanic also suggested this was an internal engine issue). Anyhow, somewhat happy ending as you say - more expensive than I’d like, but less than an engine rebuild!
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Vincent713 (11-16-2019)
#175
Turns out the sound is attributable to the high-pressure fuel pump. Has anyone ever heard of this? I listened with the mechanic's stethoscope at the shop to each cylinder bore and each sounded very smooth...he had me go through each one with him, and after listening all over had me listen to the HPFP - bam! Clear as day, the sound reproduced to a T. Needless to say, huge sigh of relief. He said (and from what I've read) that soon I may notice hard cold starting etc and to plan on replacing it in the next few months before it becomes an issue. Charged me very little labor as well. Anyhow, I now have a warranty on the car so the question is whether the warranty will cover it as it hasn't yet failed or if I will be required to have the car on a flatbed before it would cover the fix.
Consider me surprised, and a little sheepish.
Consider me surprised, and a little sheepish.
#176
As to the renaming of the thread, I'm not sure how to do that, but I could definitely be in favor of something like:
"When bore scoring isn't bore scoring; Or, How I learned to stop worrying and love the car"
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caitov (09-04-2019)
#177
Gawd I hate reading threads like this, makes me stressful and nerve racking. I am very glad it wasn't bore scoring and yes the high pressure fuel pump failing is quite common on most DFI engines. FYI the title of this thread still have not been changed. Hope you are enjoying your 911.
#178
Turns out the sound is attributable to the high-pressure fuel pump. Has anyone ever heard of this? I listened with the mechanic's stethoscope at the shop to each cylinder bore and each sounded very smooth...he had me go through each one with him, and after listening all over had me listen to the HPFP - bam! Clear as day, the sound reproduced to a T. Needless to say, huge sigh of relief. He said (and from what I've read) that soon I may notice hard cold starting etc and to plan on replacing it in the next few months before it becomes an issue. Charged me very little labor as well. Anyhow, I now have a warranty on the car so the question is whether the warranty will cover it as it hasn't yet failed or if I will be required to have the car on a flatbed before it would cover the fix.
Consider me surprised, and a little sheepish.
Consider me surprised, and a little sheepish.
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Porschetech3 (11-16-2019)
#180
Gawd I hate reading threads like this, makes me stressful and nerve racking. I am very glad it wasn't bore scoring and yes the high pressure fuel pump failing is quite common on most DFI engines. FYI the title of this thread still have not been changed. Hope you are enjoying your 911.