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I know that when we were doing development with Driven on DT40 that increasing the ester content increased oil consumption, but this also was affected by what brand of fuel was used and if it was summer vs winter blends.
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FWIW group 4 PAOs are always accompanied by another additive, usually group 5 esters, due to solubility. The PAO needs something like the ester for solubility.
I am curious why Driven isn't using Alkylated Naphthalenes instead.
I am curious why Driven isn't using Alkylated Naphthalenes instead.
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I don't get hung up on base stocks. Honestly I've seen a group 1/2/3 blend with a good additive package outperform more expensive oils. It's all about the right oil for the right application.
I know that when we were doing development with Driven on DT40 that increasing the ester content increased oil consumption, but this also was affected by what brand of fuel was used and if it was summer vs winter blends.
I know that when we were doing development with Driven on DT40 that increasing the ester content increased oil consumption, but this also was affected by what brand of fuel was used and if it was summer vs winter blends.
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How bout the news that Porsche is looking to approve a non petroleum based renewable oils? There’s a plant based oil that apparently will be A40 approved…
https://evolvelube.com/product/evosy...n-car-formula/
https://evolvelube.com/product/evosy...n-car-formula/
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Sorry if I missed this somewhere and don't mean to derail the topic but have you identified what is causing your oil consumption? From doing research on this topic and some conversations with my shop, they are suspecting that some cars might be suffering from stuck rings due to carbon build up around them, especially the oil control ring. This in turn allows oil to get into the combustion chamber causing it to be burned up. Pulling your spark plugs might show if they are covered with carbon or relatively clean. With many of the cars changing hands over time and experiencing less than idea oil change intervals of 10k miles or so, the built up carbon starts to harden and requires some additional intervention to be removed.
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Sorry if I missed this somewhere and don't mean to derail the topic but have you identified what is causing your oil consumption? From doing research on this topic and some conversations with my shop, they are suspecting that some cars might be suffering from stuck rings due to carbon build up around them, especially the oil control ring. This in turn allows oil to get into the combustion chamber causing it to be burned up. Pulling your spark plugs might show if they are covered with carbon or relatively clean. With many of the cars changing hands over time and experiencing less than idea oil change intervals of 10k miles or so, the built up carbon starts to harden and requires some additional intervention to be removed.
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Hi Karl,
You can't go wrong with The 8100 X-cess 5W40 or 300V Power 5W40. The only downside to 300V vs X-cess is cost- also if you care about having an approved Porsche oil, the 300V will not hold an approval. That being said, 300V will virtually outperform the X-cess in most testing measures with the exception oil change interval length. So if you follow the factory recommended ODI's, the X-cess is a better bet as it has been thoroughly tested to meet Porsche's long drain standards.
If you want higher power output (engine dyno proven), more reliability and better overall oil performance, 300V w/ EsterCore technology is an obvious choice. As far as grade goes, we make 300V available both in the 300V Trophy 0W40 and 300V Power 5W40 that is suitable for most Porsche applications. You can step up to the 15W50 if you have high fuel dilution or high oil temps.- Nick
You can't go wrong with The 8100 X-cess 5W40 or 300V Power 5W40. The only downside to 300V vs X-cess is cost- also if you care about having an approved Porsche oil, the 300V will not hold an approval. That being said, 300V will virtually outperform the X-cess in most testing measures with the exception oil change interval length. So if you follow the factory recommended ODI's, the X-cess is a better bet as it has been thoroughly tested to meet Porsche's long drain standards.
If you want higher power output (engine dyno proven), more reliability and better overall oil performance, 300V w/ EsterCore technology is an obvious choice. As far as grade goes, we make 300V available both in the 300V Trophy 0W40 and 300V Power 5W40 that is suitable for most Porsche applications. You can step up to the 15W50 if you have high fuel dilution or high oil temps.- Nick
You would be correct- a lot of variables to consider here. Without a proper UOA it's hard to say.... For regular street driving we start at 5,000 mile ODI's for 300V and work our way up from there. For mixed driving (track and street), being more conservative will be a good practice- I'd recommend draining at 3,000 miles and see what the UOA looks like. Then you can really make a good determination in how to proceed with your ODI's.- Nick
Hi Nick. I see no one has logged into the Motul account for a year so you may never see this but I wanted to ask in case you do. Is the 300V supposed to be a true "racing oil"? It is marketed like it is but I am confused given your statements above talking about street driving and 3/5K mile change intervals. Also I pulled an oil analysis of it and the moly levels are much lower than I would expect in a true racing oil. Thanks for the information you have provided this community.
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Hi Nick. I see no one has logged into the Motul account for a year so you may never see this but I wanted to ask in case you do. Is the 300V supposed to be a true "racing oil"? It is marketed like it is but I am confused given your statements above talking about street driving and 3/5K mile change intervals. Also I pulled an oil analysis of it and the moly levels are much lower than I would expect in a true racing oil. Thanks for the information you have provided this community.
after further research I’m going to use either sport or 300v 5w40. I change at 3k but still concerned over 300V for 3k and may default to sport. Car is driven hard.
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I know DT40 uses ester but I suspect Driven DI40 uses Alkylated Naphthalenes (ANs) as a co-base stock. For years in the world of oil technology esters were the co-base stock of choice to be used with PAOs but now we have newer and better technologies available like ANs. There is growing evidence that suggests ANs blended with PAOs and Group II/III base oils offer superior stability when compared with similar ester blends.
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First time I used Motul was in my current 2006 C4. Previous owner used it and I continued.
Previously only used Mobil 1.
Motul seems to be a fan favorite.
Previously only used Mobil 1.
Motul seems to be a fan favorite.