Re-gearing for Mosport
07-20-2006, 08:35 PM
#156
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Ahem...now back to our regular scheduled programming:
If we go back to Noble advice on post #2 on this thread - I tried it yesterday. It works and is the correct way to get that GT# to maximize is rev range and the gearbox.
Noble:
"you dont need to, you should be in 2nd for 5 a and b up to top of 4th gear( approx 252KMH before braking) on straight. you downshift to third at 8,down to second for 9 and 10, up to third for 1. and the top of third at the entrance to turn 2 and all the way thru it. 4th at turn 3...back to 3rd for 3 to the top of 4 ( redline at top of 4) then thru 4 in 3rd and back to second for 5 a and b....the only spot where gearing might have helped is a taller 3rd for entering turn 2."
I am at 235 on the back straight with room and rpm for more (700 rpm) - i just fear death.
3rd maxes out perfcectly for 1 and 2.
Again - I can stay in 3rd until and through 3 because to hit 4th before 3 requires ***** (mine were unfortunately lost flipping my dirt bike too many times) but 4th would give you 10-15kmh.
I think you can pull 4th to hit 190 between 3 and 4 (I actucally can do this)
You can 3 or 4 down 4 depending on the speed you can carry emotionally :0
down to 2 for 5
up to 4 until your heart drops out for the 5 to 8 run and then...
down to 3 for 8
I tried down to 2 vs 3 for 10 - not enough revs left for 2 so 3 is best.
Thats the plan...and I did over 400 km to check it out.
If we go back to Noble advice on post #2 on this thread - I tried it yesterday. It works and is the correct way to get that GT# to maximize is rev range and the gearbox.
Noble:
"you dont need to, you should be in 2nd for 5 a and b up to top of 4th gear( approx 252KMH before braking) on straight. you downshift to third at 8,down to second for 9 and 10, up to third for 1. and the top of third at the entrance to turn 2 and all the way thru it. 4th at turn 3...back to 3rd for 3 to the top of 4 ( redline at top of 4) then thru 4 in 3rd and back to second for 5 a and b....the only spot where gearing might have helped is a taller 3rd for entering turn 2."
I am at 235 on the back straight with room and rpm for more (700 rpm) - i just fear death.
3rd maxes out perfcectly for 1 and 2.
Again - I can stay in 3rd until and through 3 because to hit 4th before 3 requires ***** (mine were unfortunately lost flipping my dirt bike too many times) but 4th would give you 10-15kmh.
I think you can pull 4th to hit 190 between 3 and 4 (I actucally can do this)
You can 3 or 4 down 4 depending on the speed you can carry emotionally :0
down to 2 for 5
up to 4 until your heart drops out for the 5 to 8 run and then...
down to 3 for 8
I tried down to 2 vs 3 for 10 - not enough revs left for 2 so 3 is best.
Thats the plan...and I did over 400 km to check it out.
07-20-2006, 09:43 PM
#157
Drifting
I bet you guys would be surprised at how little braking you actually must do if you wanted to minimize it prior to 8. You can scrub a ton of speed during the turn itself just by turning. I did a nice drift on Tuesday!
Im 230ish in my car; I can probably get a bit more (maybe 240 tops), but 1) I could do 5ab better and 2) I too wish to live. Actually, most times I just keep it in 4th, which redlines at 210, for the last 25% of the straight because Id rather not have to deal with shifting through 8 and then again (to 3rd) entering 9. Im back in 4th late in the front straight and I stay there till 5a (3rd), 5b (2nd). NSXs have very different gearing.
Im entering 4 slower than you GT3. Im 170ish. I also lazy brake at the bottom
. Come to think of it, I probably lazy brake everywhere!
Im 230ish in my car; I can probably get a bit more (maybe 240 tops), but 1) I could do 5ab better and 2) I too wish to live. Actually, most times I just keep it in 4th, which redlines at 210, for the last 25% of the straight because Id rather not have to deal with shifting through 8 and then again (to 3rd) entering 9. Im back in 4th late in the front straight and I stay there till 5a (3rd), 5b (2nd). NSXs have very different gearing.
Im entering 4 slower than you GT3. Im 170ish. I also lazy brake at the bottom
. Come to think of it, I probably lazy brake everywhere!
07-20-2006, 11:35 PM
#158
Nordschleife Master
I am not questioning if Nobel is a good guy or not He's probably a great guy. But that still doesn't allow him to defy the laws of physics. Unless someone has some proof of supposed greatness, I am going to question it...every time.
So, after all the bravado, we are looking at an undocumented best time of 1:38. Traffic or not, that just does not equate to a sub 1:30. Oh, and btw, even I run faster than 1:38 (and my times are AMB times from last years race and available on PCA.org), and I've never ridden let alone raced a motorcycle.
Btw, did you ever hook up with Rick to rent the cup? I was still hoping to see you'd come "kick all the *** in PCA"
The really fast guys don't downshift for 8. They do a tiny tap and go.
For me the biggest pucker turn is 4. Most people fear 2, but 4 is so much faster. I passed a guy in last years race on the outside of 4 and going into 5, and let me tell you I still have a scrunch mark in my seat.
So, after all the bravado, we are looking at an undocumented best time of 1:38. Traffic or not, that just does not equate to a sub 1:30. Oh, and btw, even I run faster than 1:38 (and my times are AMB times from last years race and available on PCA.org), and I've never ridden let alone raced a motorcycle.
Btw, did you ever hook up with Rick to rent the cup? I was still hoping to see you'd come "kick all the *** in PCA"
Originally Posted by LastGT3
Ahem...now back to our regular scheduled programming:
If we go back to Noble advice on post #2 on this thread - I tried it yesterday. It works and is the correct way to get that GT# to maximize is rev range and the gearbox.
Noble:
"you dont need to, you should be in 2nd for 5 a and b up to top of 4th gear( approx 252KMH before braking) on straight. you downshift to third at 8,down to second for 9 and 10, up to third for 1. and the top of third at the entrance to turn 2 and all the way thru it. 4th at turn 3...back to 3rd for 3 to the top of 4 ( redline at top of 4) then thru 4 in 3rd and back to second for 5 a and b....the only spot where gearing might have helped is a taller 3rd for entering turn 2."
I am at 235 on the back straight with room and rpm for more (700 rpm) - i just fear death.
3rd maxes out perfcectly for 1 and 2.
Again - I can stay in 3rd until and through 3 because to hit 4th before 3 requires ***** (mine were unfortunately lost flipping my dirt bike too many times) but 4th would give you 10-15kmh.
I think you can pull 4th to hit 190 between 3 and 4 (I actucally can do this)
You can 3 or 4 down 4 depending on the speed you can carry emotionally :0
down to 2 for 5
up to 4 until your heart drops out for the 5 to 8 run and then...
down to 3 for 8
I tried down to 2 vs 3 for 10 - not enough revs left for 2 so 3 is best.
Thats the plan...and I did over 400 km to check it out.
If we go back to Noble advice on post #2 on this thread - I tried it yesterday. It works and is the correct way to get that GT# to maximize is rev range and the gearbox.
Noble:
"you dont need to, you should be in 2nd for 5 a and b up to top of 4th gear( approx 252KMH before braking) on straight. you downshift to third at 8,down to second for 9 and 10, up to third for 1. and the top of third at the entrance to turn 2 and all the way thru it. 4th at turn 3...back to 3rd for 3 to the top of 4 ( redline at top of 4) then thru 4 in 3rd and back to second for 5 a and b....the only spot where gearing might have helped is a taller 3rd for entering turn 2."
I am at 235 on the back straight with room and rpm for more (700 rpm) - i just fear death.
3rd maxes out perfcectly for 1 and 2.
Again - I can stay in 3rd until and through 3 because to hit 4th before 3 requires ***** (mine were unfortunately lost flipping my dirt bike too many times) but 4th would give you 10-15kmh.
I think you can pull 4th to hit 190 between 3 and 4 (I actucally can do this)
You can 3 or 4 down 4 depending on the speed you can carry emotionally :0
down to 2 for 5
up to 4 until your heart drops out for the 5 to 8 run and then...
down to 3 for 8
I tried down to 2 vs 3 for 10 - not enough revs left for 2 so 3 is best.
Thats the plan...and I did over 400 km to check it out.
For me the biggest pucker turn is 4. Most people fear 2, but 4 is so much faster. I passed a guy in last years race on the outside of 4 and going into 5, and let me tell you I still have a scrunch mark in my seat.
07-20-2006, 11:54 PM
#159
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by NOBLEGT3
this is gonna be win or bin my man!! i will be screaming out " tell my wife i love her!!" after crossing the timing lights with the engine on fire and the car riding on sparking rims!.
Seriously, 1:38 on street tires is a good time.
07-20-2006, 11:55 PM
#160
Three Wheelin'
The Top of fourth is only good for 235kmh! do the math... to hit 250+ you need to be in fifth at 7000rpm..
The guys at the event all said he is a good driver.. the GT3 is very fast and low 1.30's is possible. My previous Z06 on Toyo's which is just as quick as the GT3, it did a 1.32 at the Solo 1 event. with the right driver a good tire it could happen with the GT3.
The guys at the event all said he is a good driver.. the GT3 is very fast and low 1.30's is possible. My previous Z06 on Toyo's which is just as quick as the GT3, it did a 1.32 at the Solo 1 event. with the right driver a good tire it could happen with the GT3.
07-20-2006, 11:56 PM
#161
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Z06
The guys at the event all said he is a good driver.. the GT3 is very fast and low 1.30's is possible. My previous Z06 on Toyo's which is just as quick as the GT3, it did a 1.32 at the Solo 1 event. with the right driver a good tire it could happen with the GT3.
07-21-2006, 12:21 AM
#162
Originally Posted by DrJupeman
So since you didn't get below 1:30, should I assume you're now parting out your car? I might be interested in the wheels...
Seriously, 1:38 on street tires is a good time.
Seriously, 1:38 on street tires is a good time.
07-21-2006, 12:24 AM
#163
Originally Posted by 38D
I am not questioning if Nobel is a good guy or not He's probably a great guy. But that still doesn't allow him to defy the laws of physics. Unless someone has some proof of supposed greatness, I am going to question it...every time.
So, after all the bravado, we are looking at an undocumented best time of 1:38. Traffic or not, that just does not equate to a sub 1:30. Oh, and btw, even I run faster than 1:38 (and my times are AMB times from last years race and available on PCA.org), and I've never ridden let alone raced a motorcycle.
Btw, did you ever hook up with Rick to rent the cup? I was still hoping to see you'd come "kick all the *** in PCA"
The really fast guys don't downshift for 8. They do a tiny tap and go.
For me the biggest pucker turn is 4. Most people fear 2, but 4 is so much faster. I passed a guy in last years race on the outside of 4 and going into 5, and let me tell you I still have a scrunch mark in my seat.
So, after all the bravado, we are looking at an undocumented best time of 1:38. Traffic or not, that just does not equate to a sub 1:30. Oh, and btw, even I run faster than 1:38 (and my times are AMB times from last years race and available on PCA.org), and I've never ridden let alone raced a motorcycle.
Btw, did you ever hook up with Rick to rent the cup? I was still hoping to see you'd come "kick all the *** in PCA"
The really fast guys don't downshift for 8. They do a tiny tap and go.
For me the biggest pucker turn is 4. Most people fear 2, but 4 is so much faster. I passed a guy in last years race on the outside of 4 and going into 5, and let me tell you I still have a scrunch mark in my seat.
i emailed rick it bounced, i pm'd him he never responded...i did not call....my competition licence is motorcycle not car and i dont care to run around getting medicals and dropping 10 grand or more ?? to rent a cup car to say i told you so. only people who know me on here and have seen me drive have commented and they include regular people, 2 PCA instructors and a pro racer...so if i cant convince you nothing can
07-21-2006, 12:29 AM
#164
Originally Posted by Z06
The Top of fourth is only good for 235kmh! do the math... to hit 250+ you need to be in fifth at 7000rpm..
The guys at the event all said he is a good driver.. the GT3 is very fast and low 1.30's is possible. My previous Z06 on Toyo's which is just as quick as the GT3, it did a 1.32 at the Solo 1 event. with the right driver a good tire it could happen with the GT3.
The guys at the event all said he is a good driver.. the GT3 is very fast and low 1.30's is possible. My previous Z06 on Toyo's which is just as quick as the GT3, it did a 1.32 at the Solo 1 event. with the right driver a good tire it could happen with the GT3.
07-21-2006, 04:18 AM
#165
Three Wheelin'
If you think back I asked the question on how fast people are going on the Mosport straight, I wanted to gear my car for it to be at 8000 rpm at 148 mph.
According to Brian copans the AMLS GT3 guys are doing 150+ mph, so i did not think we could go faster than that.
I do not go by the speedo.. it's rpm x gear ratios x tire diameter.
When I regeared my car I looked into this.
According to Brian copans the AMLS GT3 guys are doing 150+ mph, so i did not think we could go faster than that.
I do not go by the speedo.. it's rpm x gear ratios x tire diameter.
When I regeared my car I looked into this.