08 Nissan GTR - is it the real deal
03-15-2008, 06:44 PM
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That's interesting, do those same states charge an annual lease tax based on residual value of the car?
03-15-2008, 07:11 PM
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Okay, but, how does that behoove the state allowing the buyer to pay half taxes? I understand benefits of a corporate lease (for the business), but, no matter who buys the car, they're going to pay the full tax on the car albeit deffered over the term of the lease. In Texas most leases require the tax/title/license paid up front
when you lease you only pay tax on the portion of your lease. so if the car is 100k and residual is 50k then you pay tax on the 50k that you use over the 3 yrs etc.
if you buy a car vs lease you pay sales tax on the whole car and if you trade it in, you pay sales tax on the new car agan vs walking awayt from the lease and pay half the tax. if at the end of the lease, your residual is less than what the car is worth, then it makes sense to buy it and keep it at which time you would pay tax on the residual amount.
03-15-2008, 07:20 PM
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I think you should buy both. If I had ANYWHERE to drive cars with this much power I'd do a GTR new and a gt2 or turbo s in a heartbeat. finance them to limit cash outlay, decide which you'll keep after a few months, you're unlikely to lose too much money aside from taxes (I hate taxes) as we're going in to summer anyway. more than numbers, you'll have to live with the car, and intuition tells me that the porsche (any of those mentioned) will be more satisfying to live with, but hey only experience will prove that wrong.
i would go that route but, i probably will not keep the car for more than 3 yrs so it may be a bit overkill to buy two and get rid of one of them at a significant loss.
If I was able to get a 997tt, it would probably be good for 60 months.
03-15-2008, 07:23 PM
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All the cars on your list (except gt3 & 997tt) are available for less than $100k!! If you're trying not to pay over $100k and are seriously in the market for a 9977tt - I'd think you could work a deal..that is, IF you're serious . How do you summize you're only paying half the taxes on any auto just because it's a lease? Seems you've had a car or two, I'd think you'd know different.
Not sure what you mean by if i am serious about a 997tt. There are no 997TTs for under 100k, several at about 110k to 115k
03-15-2008, 07:32 PM
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If you're serious and are a semi-proficient negotiator, I'd believe you can get close to your 100k number, provided you're not in a hurry - which you've already expressed you are. So, did you put down your deposit on the GTR or what?
03-15-2008, 09:35 PM
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I've been looking for a 996 for a couple of months, came close a couple of times but did not close. 997 tt is not possible below 100k. i've been keeping an eye on them on ebay, autotrader, porsche preowned db and google.
03-15-2008, 10:34 PM
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why are we debating whether one can buy a 997tt for 100K and d!ck measuring negotiation skills? negotiate a damn peace treaty between north korea and the world - that's skills, otherwise move along.
eat a GTR suckas!
eat a GTR suckas!
03-16-2008, 04:01 PM
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Interesting info from the GT3 thread on this car....
If true the question isn't so much "why is the GTR faster than a 997TT or a 997GT3". My question is if the GTR chassis is so advanced, why can it barely beat these cars with an extra 75 - 140 hp?
If true this car has over 25hp on a GT2. Little wonder it's fast.
According to Nissan's marketing, the GT-R engine produces maximum power output of 480PS or 473bhp at 6400rpm, implying 271bhp/tonne...
...but in the GT-R's official detailed specifications this maximum is described as "net power output", as follows:
*The engine power output values indicated in this catalog are all net power output values.
* Engine power output can be indicated as 'Net power output' or 'Gross power output'.
'Gross' values are estimations of power output of the engine alone.
'Net' values are estimations of when the engine is assembled onto the vehicle.
For estimations of the same gasoline engines, 'Net' values are approximately 15% lower than 'Gross' values according to JAMA research...
...that would imply that the GT-R engine produces maximum "gross power output" of 564PS or 556bhp!
...and given an official curb weight of 1740kg, that would represent a power/weight ratio of 319bhp/tonne!
...which could explain why the GT-R is apparently quicker than a 997TT with 298bhp/tonne!?
So does the GT-R really defy the laws of physics, or just have more power than indicated in the press?
...any ideas???
...but in the GT-R's official detailed specifications this maximum is described as "net power output", as follows:
*The engine power output values indicated in this catalog are all net power output values.
* Engine power output can be indicated as 'Net power output' or 'Gross power output'.
'Gross' values are estimations of power output of the engine alone.
'Net' values are estimations of when the engine is assembled onto the vehicle.
For estimations of the same gasoline engines, 'Net' values are approximately 15% lower than 'Gross' values according to JAMA research...
...that would imply that the GT-R engine produces maximum "gross power output" of 564PS or 556bhp!
...and given an official curb weight of 1740kg, that would represent a power/weight ratio of 319bhp/tonne!
...which could explain why the GT-R is apparently quicker than a 997TT with 298bhp/tonne!?
So does the GT-R really defy the laws of physics, or just have more power than indicated in the press?
...any ideas???
If true this car has over 25hp on a GT2. Little wonder it's fast.
03-16-2008, 05:14 PM
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did you see the exhaust manifold glow?
04-10-2008, 12:16 AM
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I think you should buy both. If I had ANYWHERE to drive cars with this much power I'd do a GTR new and a gt2 or turbo s in a heartbeat. finance them to limit cash outlay, decide which you'll keep after a few months, you're unlikely to lose too much money aside from taxes (I hate taxes) as we're going in to summer anyway. more than numbers, you'll have to live with the car, and intuition tells me that the porsche (any of those mentioned) will be more satisfying to live with, but hey only experience will prove that wrong.
i am back. I had a GTR triple black on order with deposit put down for $6k over then.......
saw a 997 GT3 and another 997 TT on the road and realized that I am still a porsche guy. Flew to LA and drove back this past sunday in my new ride!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6135272...28223676/show/
this will be my 3rd 911 and 2nd turbo. What the hell was I thinking all this time??? the GTR is still a badass car tech and performance wise but nothing beats the fine leather interior of my 997 TT.
I will have no regrets
04-10-2008, 12:36 AM
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i would have flipped it, but adding tax and license since the dealer specifically said i need to buy the car, not someone else. it would have added another 8k to the price for a total of 14k over. it starts to become harder to sell.
04-10-2008, 06:12 PM
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do the new Nissans rust as easily as the old Datsuns used to?
04-10-2008, 09:48 PM
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Another thing I heard is that if you sell the car within the first year the warranty becomes void.