Ultimate Integrated Dry Sump UIDS v2.2
10-05-2022, 02:40 PM
#721
Burning Brakes
PCA 2022 Rules, SPC section D:
D. Oiling System. The factory oil and oil cooling system must remain stock, except an external oil cooler, an X-51 oil plate, an aftermarket sump extension or sump pan, a Porsche Motorsport oil/air separator, and an oil accumulator (e.g., Accusump) may be added.
D. Oiling System. The factory oil and oil cooling system must remain stock, except an external oil cooler, an X-51 oil plate, an aftermarket sump extension or sump pan, a Porsche Motorsport oil/air separator, and an oil accumulator (e.g., Accusump) may be added.
10-05-2022, 02:59 PM
#722
The oil returns via the stock galley in the centre of the pan. It has been cleared by the SPC class rep and is well within the spirit of the rules (engine longevity, no performance advantage).
If you race in PCA, discuss this with your series rep and make an appropriate proposal to the governing body.
If you race in PCA, discuss this with your series rep and make an appropriate proposal to the governing body.
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10-05-2022, 03:14 PM
#723
Race Car
So, @Gear Rower , are you going to post full data or what ?
If you’re a sensible guy, it should be clear that the data that’s been posted to date in support of the efficacy of the UIDS has been selected specifically to highlight its benefits while obscuring its flaws.
You keep referring to the fact the data is unambiguous, maybe for you, but for what’s been shown, and the little bit we could see of what was not meant to be shown, there is a lot more to discuss than just how great the part works in a steady state corner - if you’re a reasonable guy you should understand the legitimacy of the request to lift the curtain up.
If you’re a sensible guy, it should be clear that the data that’s been posted to date in support of the efficacy of the UIDS has been selected specifically to highlight its benefits while obscuring its flaws.
You keep referring to the fact the data is unambiguous, maybe for you, but for what’s been shown, and the little bit we could see of what was not meant to be shown, there is a lot more to discuss than just how great the part works in a steady state corner - if you’re a reasonable guy you should understand the legitimacy of the request to lift the curtain up.
10-05-2022, 03:30 PM
#724
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Yall hold on minute....I want to post somethings that need to be addressed right now and may take a min....and don't need any interruptions..
10-05-2022, 03:34 PM
#725
So, @Gear Rower , are you going to post full data or what ?
If you’re a sensible guy, it should be clear that the data that’s been posted to date in support of the efficacy of the UIDS has been selected specifically to highlight its benefits while obscuring its flaws.
You keep referring to the fact the data is unambiguous, maybe for you, but for what’s been shown, and the little bit we could see of what was not meant to be shown, there is a lot more to discuss than just how great the part works in a steady state corner - if you’re a reasonable guy you should understand the legitimacy of the request to lift the curtain up.
If you’re a sensible guy, it should be clear that the data that’s been posted to date in support of the efficacy of the UIDS has been selected specifically to highlight its benefits while obscuring its flaws.
You keep referring to the fact the data is unambiguous, maybe for you, but for what’s been shown, and the little bit we could see of what was not meant to be shown, there is a lot more to discuss than just how great the part works in a steady state corner - if you’re a reasonable guy you should understand the legitimacy of the request to lift the curtain up.
I'm a paying customer (full price with initial run, fwiw) and I was happy to help out Skip with some feedback with some race data as I'm appreciative of his efforts to increase the reliability of this platform. I don't make a dime off of these sumps and could care less whether you use one or not.
I've used the stock, FVD, Mantis and UIDS sumps in race conditions and will continue to use the UIDS based upon my data.
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10-05-2022, 03:37 PM
#726
Ok. We can only speculate, but I would surmise that this is purely down to oil movement within the sump. Deep sump likes the oil steady, level and increases the uptake as the oil returns to 0 lat G. The transient dip in the UIDS is a/w the slosh, however its pressure is steady with both level or max lat G states.
It's clear on the data that the oil delivery is more stable with the UIDS and that even though there are aren't zero drops, the dips are fewer in number and, most critically for engine health, significantly shorter in duration. This is much more than moving the problem down the line.
It's clear on the data that the oil delivery is more stable with the UIDS and that even though there are aren't zero drops, the dips are fewer in number and, most critically for engine health, significantly shorter in duration. This is much more than moving the problem down the line.
10-05-2022, 03:37 PM
#727
Race Car
Firstly, I don't owe you anything, I'm not beholden to your requests or timeline and my actions re the data will not determine whether I'm a sensible or reasonable guy. I'm not hiding anything, but you may want to reconsider your data request style. Framing this as some vast conspiracy to scam people into purchasing an ineffective widget isn't doing you any favours.
I'm a paying customer (full price with initial run, fwiw) and I was happy to help out Skip with some feedback with some race data as I'm appreciative of his efforts to increase the reliability of this platform. I don't make a dime off of these sumps and could care less whether you use one or not.
I've used the stock, FVD, Mantis and UIDS sumps in race conditions and will continue to use the UIDS based upon my data.
I'm a paying customer (full price with initial run, fwiw) and I was happy to help out Skip with some feedback with some race data as I'm appreciative of his efforts to increase the reliability of this platform. I don't make a dime off of these sumps and could care less whether you use one or not.
I've used the stock, FVD, Mantis and UIDS sumps in race conditions and will continue to use the UIDS based upon my data.
10-05-2022, 03:43 PM
#728
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
The claims made by Zbomb that I have never admitted any imperfections in the UIDS is simply a lie...
People said it couldn't be done, LOTS of people..
UIDS version 1.0 , 2.0 ....2.1 ..2.2, 3.0..3.1..3.2 all had imperfections that I spoke about right on here...
Infact I posted about the imperfection in post #664
Hold on there is more..
People said it couldn't be done, LOTS of people..
UIDS version 1.0 , 2.0 ....2.1 ..2.2, 3.0..3.1..3.2 all had imperfections that I spoke about right on here...
Infact I posted about the imperfection in post #664
Hold on there is more..
10-05-2022, 03:45 PM
#729
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Nevermined...Ill hold off on the rest..
10-05-2022, 03:51 PM
#730
Race Car
The claims made by Zbomb that I have never admitted any imperfections in the UIDS is simply a lie...
People said it couldn't be done, LOTS of people..
UIDS version 1.0 , 2.0 ....2.1 ..2.2, 3.0..3.1..3.2 all had imperfections that I spoke about right on here...
Infact I posted about the imperfection in post #664
Hold on there is more..
People said it couldn't be done, LOTS of people..
UIDS version 1.0 , 2.0 ....2.1 ..2.2, 3.0..3.1..3.2 all had imperfections that I spoke about right on here...
Infact I posted about the imperfection in post #664
Hold on there is more..
I don’t care about perfection. If that’s what you got from my posts, re-read them.
Anyone remember all this… This **** has been going on for months and months and months where I ask for transparency on the units function and I get lit up by @wildbilly32 , @dporto , @philbert996 and @Porschetech3 about how dare I ask questions.
Does it make sense now ? The unit may be better than anything else, but this latest exchange has been the only you will find publicly that admits ANY results that differ from the intended.
It has been my view and continues to be, customers and perspective customers should not be kept in the dark about the full envelope of performance for the stuff they spend their money on.
Anyone remember all this… This **** has been going on for months and months and months where I ask for transparency on the units function and I get lit up by @wildbilly32 , @dporto , @philbert996 and @Porschetech3 about how dare I ask questions.
Does it make sense now ? The unit may be better than anything else, but this latest exchange has been the only you will find publicly that admits ANY results that differ from the intended.
It has been my view and continues to be, customers and perspective customers should not be kept in the dark about the full envelope of performance for the stuff they spend their money on.
10-05-2022, 03:54 PM
#731
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
No..the data will not be released "***** nilly" to be ravaged by a bunch of hungry Tigers eiger to destroy......That was why you posted all YOUR data, and then demanded that I not use the same data to show the benifits of the UIDS
10-05-2022, 03:55 PM
#732
Race Car
Again, here’s what I actually posted.
Last edited by zbomb; 10-05-2022 at 03:56 PM.
10-05-2022, 04:00 PM
#733
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Thread Starter
Zbomb, I don't care what you said.....I care what I said... and everything I said is accurate...
You are just pissed because I released the UIDS before YOU were ready....You work for a Secret National Defence contractor that has unlimited resources of taxpayer money to test and test untill perfection before releasing a destuctive device....
You car was all broken down when I needed you to test the UIDS...so get over it...and go work on the Chevy/Porsche
You are just pissed because I released the UIDS before YOU were ready....You work for a Secret National Defence contractor that has unlimited resources of taxpayer money to test and test untill perfection before releasing a destuctive device....
You car was all broken down when I needed you to test the UIDS...so get over it...and go work on the Chevy/Porsche
10-05-2022, 04:05 PM
#734
Race Car
Ok Skip - too bad that’s what you’re going to put out there. You and I know the validity of that statement. ETA…Haha - I forgot, go back to your email from April 30 to May 7 if you want to re-remind yourself of how our conversation regarding testing actually went. Happy to post it if you want, or you can.
For the rest of you - feel free to believe whatever you like - one of us has never had a financial stake in any of this.
And as far as my profession, I’m a waiter at Applebees (that’s a joke).
For the rest of you - feel free to believe whatever you like - one of us has never had a financial stake in any of this.
And as far as my profession, I’m a waiter at Applebees (that’s a joke).
Last edited by zbomb; 10-05-2022 at 05:03 PM.
10-05-2022, 04:08 PM
#735
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
And thanks Ben for stepping in with some clear Extreme Track first hand experiance...I had redacted your name from all the "Data" so that people would not bother you with questions...But I am very pleased that you are doing so....I don't always deal with the BS effectively..
Last edited by Porschetech3; 10-05-2022 at 04:12 PM.