Prices Keep Drifting Up
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Agreed.
ICE as a standalone with new car sales has reached its peak market share.
But to your point on the Tesla getting the equivalent of 100-130 MPG, now take that platform and add a next generation ICE engine to it to create a hybrid, one that is powered by synthetic fuel and you now have the capability to continuously recharge the battery and go on a 1500 mile journey with 15 gallons of synthetic fuel.
This is why hybrids will dwarf battery EVs in sales when the car industry rolls out the 2nd phase of hybrids over the next few years.
ICE as a standalone with new car sales has reached its peak market share.
But to your point on the Tesla getting the equivalent of 100-130 MPG, now take that platform and add a next generation ICE engine to it to create a hybrid, one that is powered by synthetic fuel and you now have the capability to continuously recharge the battery and go on a 1500 mile journey with 15 gallons of synthetic fuel.
This is why hybrids will dwarf battery EVs in sales when the car industry rolls out the 2nd phase of hybrids over the next few years.
Pure Ethanol (E100), dor example, only contains 22.3 kWh of energy. As a result, a car running on E100 will only get about 66% of the gas mileage the exact same car would get on gas.
If the new efuels have really high energy content (much higher than gas), then they could deliver much higher mileage. I don’t know what energy content Porsche or other efuels have.
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Serious question:: what is the real cost per mile of driving an EV? .........That is the bottom line ( along with Smiles per Mile
)
I have thrown away many battery powered tools and kids toys, along with every day items...but the high quality mechanical ones still have use and value...Like an old grandfather pendulum clock
The EV's have been on the market for over a decade, maybe still not enough time to get a real " cost per mile" figure , but it would need to include all the money spent from the " working people" to really tell how long before it becomes a productive way for the masses to transport...
I'll gladly pay the $3-$4 dollar a gallon for petrol until the day I die( which will not be a long time) my thoughts and comments are just in thinking of my grandkids economic future...( they may not be interested in driving my old Porsche, even if it would be the least expensive transportation they could possibly drive..)
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I have thrown away many battery powered tools and kids toys, along with every day items...but the high quality mechanical ones still have use and value...Like an old grandfather pendulum clock
The EV's have been on the market for over a decade, maybe still not enough time to get a real " cost per mile" figure , but it would need to include all the money spent from the " working people" to really tell how long before it becomes a productive way for the masses to transport...
I'll gladly pay the $3-$4 dollar a gallon for petrol until the day I die( which will not be a long time) my thoughts and comments are just in thinking of my grandkids economic future...( they may not be interested in driving my old Porsche, even if it would be the least expensive transportation they could possibly drive..)
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Serious question:: what is the real cost per mile of driving an EV? .........That is the bottom line ( along with Smiles per Mile
)
I have thrown away many battery powered tools and kids toys, along with every day items...but the high quality mechanical ones still have use and value...Like an old grandfather pendulum clock
The EV's have been on the market for over a decade, maybe still not enough time to get a real " cost per mile" figure , but it would need to include all the money spent from the " working people" to really tell how long before it becomes a productive way for the masses to transport...
I'll gladly pay the $3-$4 dollar a gallon for petrol until the day I die( which will not be a long time) my thoughts and comments are just in thinking of my grandkids economic future...( they may not be interested in driving my old Porsche, even if it would be the least expensive transportation they could possibly drive..)
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I have thrown away many battery powered tools and kids toys, along with every day items...but the high quality mechanical ones still have use and value...Like an old grandfather pendulum clock
The EV's have been on the market for over a decade, maybe still not enough time to get a real " cost per mile" figure , but it would need to include all the money spent from the " working people" to really tell how long before it becomes a productive way for the masses to transport...
I'll gladly pay the $3-$4 dollar a gallon for petrol until the day I die( which will not be a long time) my thoughts and comments are just in thinking of my grandkids economic future...( they may not be interested in driving my old Porsche, even if it would be the least expensive transportation they could possibly drive..)
On the EV side of things, my test drive of the Taycan was very impressive. It's a large 4-door sedan that drives like a small car. Don't know how Porsche does it, but the ride and power is impressive.
Now Porsche has done it again on the Nurburgring with a pre-production version of the Taycan, circling the ring in a stunning 7 minutes and 8 seconds. That's just 4 seconds slower than the venerable GT4 RS!
Say what you will about batteries, but Porsche builds some impressive machinery...
Porsche Taycan's 'Ring Time
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Here you go. For those that want to read about Porsche's e-strategy. You will find many rabbit holes to go down.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...0the%20future?
To bring it back to the "Prices Going Up" thread, classic ICE powered Porsches like the 996 will have fuel to power it long in the future.
Lets face it...
1. It's attractively priced versus the "old school" air cooled classics and the "new school" techno wizardry of the newer models.
2. In relation to the air cooled cars, it's faster and handles better.
3. In relation to the newer models it's easier and cheaper to service with a plethora of solutions to mitigate the failure points for a reasonable price.
The phrase "sweet spot" is an appropriate description for the 996. Go long the 996.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...0the%20future?
To bring it back to the "Prices Going Up" thread, classic ICE powered Porsches like the 996 will have fuel to power it long in the future.
Lets face it...
1. It's attractively priced versus the "old school" air cooled classics and the "new school" techno wizardry of the newer models.
2. In relation to the air cooled cars, it's faster and handles better.
3. In relation to the newer models it's easier and cheaper to service with a plethora of solutions to mitigate the failure points for a reasonable price.
The phrase "sweet spot" is an appropriate description for the 996. Go long the 996.
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Here you go. For those that want to read about Porsche's e-strategy. You will find many rabbit holes to go down.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...0the%20future?
To bring it back to the "Prices Going Up" thread, classic ICE powered Porsches like the 996 will have fuel to power it long in the future.
Lets face it...
1. It's attractively priced versus the "old school" air cooled classics and the "new school" techno wizardry of the newer models.
2. In relation to the air cooled cars, it's faster and handles better.
3. In relation to the newer models it's easier and cheaper to service with a plethora of solutions to mitigate the failure points for a reasonable price.
The phrase "sweet spot" is an appropriate description for the 996. Go long the 996.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...0the%20future?
To bring it back to the "Prices Going Up" thread, classic ICE powered Porsches like the 996 will have fuel to power it long in the future.
Lets face it...
1. It's attractively priced versus the "old school" air cooled classics and the "new school" techno wizardry of the newer models.
2. In relation to the air cooled cars, it's faster and handles better.
3. In relation to the newer models it's easier and cheaper to service with a plethora of solutions to mitigate the failure points for a reasonable price.
The phrase "sweet spot" is an appropriate description for the 996. Go long the 996.
All three good points! As long as parts are available I plan to keep mine rolling, but I sometimes wonder if I am being a bit of a Luddite.
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We definitely can't stop progress. But hopefully we can slow down knee jerk reactions that aren't well thought out.
I am no greenie, but I appreciate clean air, clean water and don't like piles of trash sitting on the side of the road or floating in bodies of water. I guess you can call me an economical environmentalist.
I am no greenie, but I appreciate clean air, clean water and don't like piles of trash sitting on the side of the road or floating in bodies of water. I guess you can call me an economical environmentalist.
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Here you go. For those that want to read about Porsche's e-strategy. You will find many rabbit holes to go down.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...0the%20future?
To bring it back to the "Prices Going Up" thread, classic ICE powered Porsches like the 996 will have fuel to power it long in the future.
Lets face it...
1. It's attractively priced versus the "old school" air cooled classics and the "new school" techno wizardry of the newer models.
2. In relation to the air cooled cars, it's faster and handles better.
3. In relation to the newer models it's easier and cheaper to service with a plethora of solutions to mitigate the failure points for a reasonable price.
The phrase "sweet spot" is an appropriate description for the 996. Go long the 996.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...0the%20future?
To bring it back to the "Prices Going Up" thread, classic ICE powered Porsches like the 996 will have fuel to power it long in the future.
Lets face it...
1. It's attractively priced versus the "old school" air cooled classics and the "new school" techno wizardry of the newer models.
2. In relation to the air cooled cars, it's faster and handles better.
3. In relation to the newer models it's easier and cheaper to service with a plethora of solutions to mitigate the failure points for a reasonable price.
The phrase "sweet spot" is an appropriate description for the 996. Go long the 996.
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Anyways, this looks nice. Also watching the Targa that ends today.
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/1...1-carrera-4-3/
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Strong money for a low mile 40AE with a replaced engine. According to the seller, it had the newer engine with the larger bearing, which makes me wonder what they did with respect to X51. Were those engines available in later years with the 997 engines or were the heads and other important pieces moved over.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...niversary-103/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...niversary-103/
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Strong money for a low mile 40AE with a replaced engine. According to the seller, it had the newer engine with the larger bearing, which makes me wonder what they did with respect to X51. Were those engines available in later years with the 997 engines or were the heads and other important pieces moved over.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...niversary-103/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...niversary-103/
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Good to see the sale price for the 40AE. For the longest time all we saw was fever for the C4S. Now it's spreading to the 40AE and turbos. Important that it does. Rising tide lifts all.
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@plpete84 I'm currently trying to convince a buddy to get a 40th AE and he was shocked to see it sell for that much. I think higher mileage ones should be closer to his budget.
50k Mile Targa sold for $37,250.
50k Mile Targa sold for $37,250.
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24k Mile 2000 in Biarritz White
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...rrera-coupe-1/
Slightly Modified C4S
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...carrera-4s-10/
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...rrera-coupe-1/
Slightly Modified C4S
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...carrera-4s-10/