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comparing the targa to the gt3 might not be the most fair but it does get the point across. It looks like someone drew villain eyebrows on the 996, comparatively. The 997 wears a surprised and dopey smile (I love the 997 by the way).
My gut tells me history will be less kind to the 991. This is due to size and in the case of PDK cars; the need for ongoing aftermarket support. The total picture of bore scoring for 991 cars is yet to be seen. I have a feeling the 997 will still be embraced due to its size and relative lack of "outdated" electronics that aren't integrated into the instrument cluster like you find on the 991.
996.1 (narrow body) C2 with stock 17" wheels. I purposely ordered just one pair of 15 mm spacers first, and put one on the front and one on the rear, to evaluate whether I should go wider or narrower on front or rear. The 15mm looked perfect for both front and rear, so I ordered a second pair of 15 mm. If you're not sure what width of spacer to use front and rear, ordering one pair at a time is helpful to make that decision.
996.1 (narrow body) C2 with stock 17" wheels. I purposely ordered just one pair of 15 mm spacers first, and put one on the front and one on the rear, to evaluate whether I should go wider or narrower on front or rear. The 15mm looked perfect for both front and rear, so I ordered a second pair of 15 mm. If you're not sure what width of spacer to use front and rear, ordering one pair at a time is helpful to make that decision.
Pic? Most photos of spacers I see are with 18” wheels.
I agree that the inset wheels are the most curious aspect of the stock 996.1 with 17” wheels, but on the other hand I kind of like them since they are reminiscent of the 356 and very early 911s. This is quite a mean machine:
As a comparison:
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GC and PeterP. Is there are certain spacers I should be looking at? I remember from my VW days that ECS hubcentric spacers were the ones to buy.
I used Venom spacers (Amazon link below) and was very happy with them. The Venom spacers are made in the US, and the supplied bolts are made in Germany. I did a bit of research before buying and the feedback on Venom was very good, and I have been impressed with the quality.
They most likely have kits with them. If not, you can easily find them separately. I have wheel studs and had a little extra space so they worked. Most of the major suppliers we all buy from carry them.
Pic? Most photos of spacers I see are with 18” wheels.
I agree that the inset wheels are the most curious aspect of the stock 996.1 with 17” wheels, but on the other hand I kind of like them since they are reminiscent of the 356 and very early 911s. This is quite a mean machine:
Has pics, but not the best. Also measured the weight differences of spacers and bolts (though I don't think weight makes a huge difference given the small rotational diameter of the spacers and bolts )
we have a group of 5. Yes all p car owners, Tex squirrel is in so is our mechanic. We text each other daily, every time we see some super low mileage garage Queen or some car that went for an unreal amount of money we call it stupid money. We also ask for other’s opinions if one of us is bidding or interested in a car. I’m always the most performance for less money guy in the group. For this particular car my 03 turbo, with bigger turbos and Inter coolers once we get to put the performance exhaust and headers back on with a markski tune it will be it. All for a total investment of less than $65k. This is the norm for the group, when I had the turbo itch we spoke about an x50 optioned car, the conclusion was for the money buy the regular turbo and modified again making it higher performance for less money. Same thinking about a unicorn color, I wanted cobalt blue that was $25k more, settled for black but really purchased the owner 14 years of ownership. For my sake and everyone’s here I hope these cars keep on going up in prices.
we have a group of 5. Yes all p car owners, Tex squirrel is in so is our mechanic. We text each other daily, every time we see some super low mileage garage Queen or some car that went for an unreal amount of money we call it stupid money. We also ask for other’s opinions if one of us is bidding or interested in a car. I’m always the most performance for less money guy in the group. For this particular car my 03 turbo, with bigger turbos and Inter coolers once we get to put the performance exhaust and headers back on with a markski tune it will be it. All for a total investment of less than $65k. This is the norm for the group, when I had the turbo itch we spoke about an x50 optioned car, the conclusion was for the money buy the regular turbo and modified again making it higher performance for less money. Same thinking about a unicorn color, I wanted cobalt blue that was $25k more, settled for black but really purchased the owner 14 years of ownership. For my sake and everyone’s here I hope these cars keep on going up in prices.
The problems with the increasing prices of the 996 are:
1. It's not useful unless you are selling. Then what do you buy?
2. It's an escalating liability. Standard insurance may leave you with less money should you have a claim or worse yet, total the car.
3. It shuts out new blood. High market values makes it hard for potential new Porsche owners.
4. #2 above can result in driving the car less.
Only a very few of these cars are actually investments that turn a profit. Perhaps the one that just sold is such an example, but where's the excitement excitement in that? The car has only been driven 4,100 miles out of its 20-year life.
For most of us, when you add in the costs for maintenance, tires, brakes, oil, gas, insurance, and garage space, the true cost of financial ownership is going to be negative. So, we might as well drive these cars as they were designed and enjoy them.
The market was cruel to 996 for over decades, but ultimately 911 historians and collectors will embrace 996 as a novel & timeless progenitor; much like 356
Originally Posted by plpete84
Just like the 996?
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