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Old 03-11-2023, 09:14 PM
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The picture makes it look like the fittings will be the low point. Any risk? Quite a puzzle. Any thoughts on 90 degree fittings? It seems they would decrease flow rates.
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Old 03-11-2023, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by golock911
The picture makes it look like the fittings will be the low point. Any risk? Quite a puzzle. Any thoughts on 90 degree fittings? It seems they would decrease flow rates.
Looks like the low point is going to be the fittings because it’s natural to assume oil pan to be low point, in my case, the oil pan sits maybe 4+ inches above the subframe so there’s actually pretty good ground clearance there. This pic gives you a better idea.





As far as the fitting bends, yeah, it’s not optimal but one benefit of the dry sump is being able to change the operating pressure to make up for loss in various areas, this is not a cure all for bad design but I should be OK with what I’m thinking for fittings and length of line for now. If adjustment at the pump through spring adjustments doesn’t get there then going to a smaller pulley is another option.
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Old 03-11-2023, 09:39 PM
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Nice! Thanks for the extra pic. It's quite clear. I would say the dry sump enables solutions for design inevitabilities!
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Old 03-12-2023, 10:50 AM
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If the cooler is plumbed into the existing cooling system the water hose routing could be tricky. If I remember correctly the radiator return is on the passenger side .There is a lot of real estate in the bumper area .Where does the oil tank go ?
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Originally Posted by dcdrechsel
If the cooler is plumbed into the existing cooling system the water hose routing could be tricky. If I remember correctly the radiator return is on the passenger side .There is a lot of real estate in the bumper area .Where does the oil tank go ?
Water in to the cooler will come from the alum coolant pipe on the drivers side, I'll cut the alum pipe back and bead roll it, a silicon couple will join it to the cooler. Cooler exit will run to the T Stat housing, using a short silicon coupler.

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The oil tank is up front... somewhere. I am back to trying to make the frunk work but not committed yet so stay tuned on that front.
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Old 03-12-2023, 11:49 AM
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I think you have the flow pipes reversed -drivers side pipe is flow to radiators -passenger side is return from the radiators.
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Old 03-12-2023, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dcdrechsel
I think you have the flow pipes reversed -drivers side pipe is flow to radiators -passenger side is return from the radiators.

Not on the 3.4l its not. I would blow off the output hose of the wp when i was tracking that motor. The output of the wp pump deff exits in the pass side of the car and travels foward. The output in the rads comes back on the drivers side and hits the t-stat and back into the motor.

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Old 03-12-2023, 12:58 PM
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Bet you a beer -next time yours is on the lift trace the pipes .
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should have added water flows radiators drivers to passenger side bottom to top of radiators .
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You guys are so much smarter than me - I think I like the idea of the radiator out being on the passenger side better - I think this would allow me to mount the cooler inside the ending bay...Like if the expansion tank was on the passenger side..there.
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It doesnt really matter for the ls swap. U can direct the flow in either direction. U just need to set the wp in and out correctly. The hoses and pipes r similar diameters on both return and suply
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Old 03-12-2023, 03:04 PM
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Ok dudes. Plan B.

ETA... A more representative picture of what I'm thinking.




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Old 03-12-2023, 03:26 PM
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can't tell from picture do you have room for airfilter with hose off of cooler ?
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Air filter is an up in the air problem - I know I don't want to run a pipe over the headers, so the cooler in this position won't impact placement.

I have some ideas... some of them are a bit wacky.
Old 03-16-2023, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zbomb
Air filter is an up in the air problem - I know I don't want to run a pipe over the headers, so the cooler in this position won't impact placement.

I have some ideas... some of them are a bit wacky.
Ram air scoop is what I'm leaning towards lately. IATs are too high, even with two SPAL fans running in the deck lid. Unfortunately (for my wallet) I need to find a GT3 RS wing and add the air scoop. Hoping to find a used replica as I will likely have to modify it a bit. Maybe this will help you with ideas. If I do this scoop, I'd make a heat shield behind an air filter (or set of filters) right behind the scoop that are attached to the block and is closed off when you close the deck lid.

https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-...air-scoop.html

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