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Old 01-19-2020 | 11:27 PM
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I wouldn't do it any other way!
For many, many reasons..
Considering I don't know if any distributors are willing to buy any of these, what would some of the reasons be?
Old 01-19-2020 | 11:28 PM
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Considering I don't know if any distributors are willing to buy any of these, what would some of the reasons be?
Shoot me a PM and I'll give you my email.
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
Shoot me a PM and I'll give you my email.
lol..I can't, yours are blocked, you send me a PM
Old 01-19-2020 | 11:38 PM
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lol..I can't, yours are blocked, you send me a PM
Oh yeah, forget I was an unreachable *******.
Incoming!
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Is the EPA still a viable government entity?
I think the Trump Admin has curtailed their presence a bit.. probably good for me
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It could be sold as a racing product on Ali Express.. ?? Maybe..

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Originally Posted by Porschetech3
Considering I don't know if any distributors are willing to buy any of these, what would some of the reasons be?
Now that I have your license, what to do?
Are we on our own to piece parts or will we be able to buy a plug and play kit from you?
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I live in a county that doesn't smog check so there is no inspection to worry about here. A plug and play "hobby" kit would be just fine.
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Originally Posted by 808Bill
Now that I have your license, what to do?
Are we on our own to piece parts or will we be able to buy a plug and play kit from you?
DIY Licencees will be able to buy any piece or all of the Plug and Play kit..
Old 01-20-2020 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead
It could be sold as a racing product on Ali Express.. ?? Maybe..

lol....Every time I'm searching for something and it comes up on Ali Express or Alibaba, I skip right on by...

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Now that I have your license, what to do?
Are we on our own to piece parts or will we be able to buy a plug and play kit from you?
Not to worry, the Porsche Gods say to take special care of the faithful..You and other DIY Licencees can buy any piece of the Plug-and-Play kit you want, from me.

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I live in a county that doesn't smog check so there is no inspection to worry about here. A plug and play "hobby" kit would be just fine.
I don't think smog is going to be a big issue, the Ultimate AOS will blend in very well, and is actually a little better emission wise. Many County/States are moving away from emission testing.
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Instead of guessing if the EPA will have any issues with what you are proposing to sell, just ask them. Do you really want to ruin your live over something stupid like this?
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Instead of guessing if the EPA will have any issues with what you are proposing to sell, just ask them. Do you really want to ruin your live over something stupid like this?
That's not a bad idea, except he will likely be 100 years old by the time he receives a response from them. Likely an evaluation would need to be done to prove that the alterations do not impact the emissions negatively. This would be a "shed test". I have been involved with these things in the past.

The definitions are pretty clear on the topic, that emissions devices are not to be tampered with.

These are the reasons that I left AOS alterations alone, and we never bypass them, or remove/ defeat any emissions component.
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Originally Posted by Imo000
Instead of guessing if the EPA will have any issues with what you are proposing to sell, just ask them. Do you really want to ruin your live over something stupid like this?
I can’t even get an answer from my local government as to where I can locate a fence on my property. Apparently some haven’t dealt with government enough to realize this.Just ask them , that’s funny. Ten government people will say sure, then the one who interprets the guideline differently will say no. No accountability.
Old 01-20-2020 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Imo000
Instead of guessing if the EPA will have any issues with what you are proposing to sell, just ask them. Do you really want to ruin your live over something stupid like this?
I'm not guessing if the emission will be better or worse, I know it will be better. A far as asking the EPA, like Jake says, I'll never get an answer, or if I do it will not be definitive. I'd be more worried if were selling "tunes" on cars that were not "Certified" as I know all the Tunes on the market are not "EPA Certified"..

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That's not a bad idea, except he will likely be 100 years old by the time he receives a response from them. Likely an evaluation would need to be done to prove that the alterations do not impact the emissions negatively. This would be a "shed test". I have been involved with these things in the past.

The definitions are pretty clear on the topic, that emissions devices are not to be tampered with.

These are the reasons that I left AOS alterations alone, and we never bypass them, or remove/ defeat any emissions component.
The Ultimate AOS still uses the "original design" just spreads it out over the engine compartment (making it easily serviceable and more economical long term) and enhances it with an Accumlator and warning system that keeps some oil from increasing emissions and from damaging the engine (hydrolock). Making the System more emission friendly.

Any changes to an engine can effect the emissions, like changing cam timing, ignition timing, compression ratio, cam profile , AFR ect. THe EPA could come down on any of that.

When I was lead troubleshooter for FoMoCo I had a Ranger 4 cyl 4MT that would hang at idle 2000 RPM. The engineer that had designed to Calibration for model (that hadn't been fully field tested in warm climate) sent me a new ECU with a new (not yet EPA Certified Calibration) to install to fix the concern. It had a sticker on it that said the vehicle could not be sold by the customer until the Calibration had been EPA Certified. All ECU changes have to be EPA Certified to be legal (to be sure they don't increase emissions), but small operations can't do this...



Originally Posted by cdk4219
I can’t even get an answer from my local government as to where I can locate a fence on my property. Apparently some haven’t dealt with government enough to realize this.Just ask them , that’s funny. Ten government people will say sure, then the one who interprets the guideline differently will say no. No accountability.
I agree, in this case it is better to "ask forgiveness than for permission", although it would be silly to ask for forgiveness for making a product that lowers emission while while warning of failure,
and asking for permission would be futile..
Old 01-20-2020 | 07:53 PM
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making a product that lowers emission
Are you prepared to drive that to some alphabet agency? That is the question, because at the end of that day it can cure cancer, but you have to spend the time, and the money to PROVE it.

Its one thing doing work while you work for a company, but when its you, and it is only you, there's no saying "I just work here".

Thats all you have to know, and all you have to ask yourself. This has all likely been blown out of proportion, BUT I will say that right now these people are more active than they have ever been.

I have an engine here right now that came back under warranty after a Genuine Porsche AOS died 6,000 miles and 4 months into the life of a new engine. I have to leave the AOS as factory to remain compliant for street driven cars, and in this case, the rules cost me an engine. There's no excuse, and no one will make this "good" for me. Its not my part that failed, but it is my problem to repair, and no one cares.

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