Rennlist/ PCA member's 993 SPEEDSTER
07-01-2011, 07:29 PM
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Like car parts ... "New Old Stock" photos 
Published today by photographer (& 993 owner) Jeff Kinder to his imagesByJeff.com website:
August 2010's "Legends of the Autobahn" in Carmel, CA...
^^ Photography courtesy & © Jeff Kinder, imagesbyjeff@sbcglobal.net.
Published today by photographer (& 993 owner) Jeff Kinder to his imagesByJeff.com website:
August 2010's "Legends of the Autobahn" in Carmel, CA...
^^ Photography courtesy & © Jeff Kinder, imagesbyjeff@sbcglobal.net.
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07-03-2011, 12:33 PM
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Thanks, Dan -- Jeff Kinder captured a magical Monterey memory above
More to follow!
What color's your '97 C4 cab? Hope you make the leap: as thrilled as I am with my red jalopy, the world needs an AWD C4S Speedster
Love to see "before" photos of your existing 993, if you haven't already posted them on RL.
As requested: Always glad to make the world a more beautiful place, one 993 Speedster at a time. The 'sickness' has already spread to one beautiful blue example.
Good timing ... there have been a few enthusiasts with serious intent to produce another 993 Speedster, but I'm finally confident there'll be a brand new one to read about here soon.
In the meantime, posts on my "Speedster type 993 photo thread" & elsewhere should get ya started. Excerpts below in chronological order back to March '09.
Also, page 2 & 3 of the "Speedster Widebody" thread & elsewhere have good pix & info, too.
here's what CA's Extreme Motorcars charges for a Speedster conversion, but for a non-factory, Strosek look:
Strosek style Speedster hardtop $2995
Strosek style rear clam shell $495
Factory Porsche parts (below) $6939
Installation & paint charges $4500
Total Speedster conversion $14,929
Factory Porsche Parts
911-541-905-00 Windshield w/Frame 4004.85
911-542-011-48 964-542-911-00 Side Door Glass 572.03
911-542-012-48 964-542-912-00 Side Door Glass 512.33
911-731-101-00-01C Rear View Mirror 89.29
964-731-031-40-CA9 " "-42-CA9 Sun Visor 213.15
964-731-032-40-CA9 Sun Visor 214.73
911-624-055-01 " "-02 Top Locking Latch 628.10
911-624-056-01 " "-02 Top Locking Latch 609.78
911-531-931-42 Door Seal 9.00
911-531-932-42 Door Seal 9.00
911-531-391-01 Door Slot 140.83
911-531-392-01 Door Slot 140.83
911-542-505-40 Door Wind 13.64
911-542-505-40 Door Wind 13.64
911-542-035-42 Door Gu 35.15
911-542-036-42 Door Gu 35.15
911-542-041-03 Window Cr 198.16
911-542-042-03 Window Li 198.16
911-542-245-01 964-542-245-00 Window Gu 37.50
911-542-246-01 964-542-246-00 Window Gu 37.50
AutoAtlanta's the only convenient source I found that lists nearly all parts & prices, including the soft top.
Porsche may have discontinued many of these, so even the following advertised prices may be speculative.
I started with post #41's basic parts list, combined singles into pairs, & updated the ones with hyperlinks.
Not including 993 rear quarter panel fabrication, dash/frame attachment fab for windshield, etc.:
Speedster conversion parts = ~$30,630.
964 563 005 00 Folding soft top $10,200 (includes all ribs & structure?)
964 504 111 00 Clam shell / humps $7,700 [used offered for $5,800] (includes all lines & levers for raising/ lowering?)
964 541 905 00 Windshield w/Frame $8,100
964 542 011/012 00 Side Door Glass $2,000/pair
911-731-101-00-01C Rear View Mirror $90
964-731-031/032-40-CA9 " "-42-CA9 Sun Visor $430/pair
911-624-055/056-01 " "-02 Top Locking Latch $1,240/pair
911-531-931/932-42 Door Seal $18/pair
911-531-391/392-01 Door Slot $280/pair
911-542-505-40 Door Wind $27/pair
911-542-035/036-42 Door Gu $70/pair
911-542-041/042-03 Window Cr & Li $400/pair
911-542-245/246-01 or 964-542-245/246-00 Window Gu $75/pair
Optional:
OEM 964 bucket sport Recaro Speedster seats:
- 964 521 003 70 $8,200/pair
New 964 Speedster doors instead of converting 993's with above parts:
- 964 531 005/006 10 $9,800/pair
OEM RS 964 door panels
[964 Speedster rear quarter panels, for reference:
- 964 503 061/2 02 $4,100/pair]
2 doors
1 screen
1 screen surround support
1 hump
1 roof
dashboard, top skuttle panel, inner bulkhead panels, new A posts, plus in-fill panels, new inner rear quarters, etc etc
Then there's the new turbo rear quarters, sills, internal fill in sections.....the list goes on!
Nearly all the parts are still available direct from Porsche in Germany, and alot of the 'new' panels were pressed back in '94 and just sat on the shelf, but the stocks are dwindling and some NLA.
I think we have majority of the parts - lucky finds have helped, but there are less & less bits out there!
964 Speedster Parts
L & R REAR BULKHEAD, INSERTS, BRACKETS, OUTER SCUTTLE COWL, DASHBOARD, 'A' POSTS (HINGE PILLARS) WING JOINING PLATES. REAR BULKHEAD.
Now that little lot will set you back about £2650.00
To make any narrow body car into a wide body car you would need:-
GUSSET PLATES, DOOR STEPS, FRT FENDER JOINING PLATES, REAR QUARTERS, SUPPORTS, PU SUPPORT TUBES
Again this will cost another £2500 or so.
For the 2S look with the split grille,
GRILLES, CENTRE SUPPORT, CLAMP BAR, REINFORCER
Another £200
And then a myriad of small and not so small parts - sundry seals, insulation, carpets, trim pieces the list goes on but adds another £2000 or so.
Then we have the UK VAT at 15% which is about to increase by 2.5% in the New Year - and maybe more as the Govt continue to hash things up! And any discount that you are able to get from the supplying dealer using PCGB or PCA influence etc!
The most important bits, aside the essential 993 Cabrio ;0 , is obtaining the roof & frame, the 'hump', doors (not butchering standard ones please!) and the screen plus surround.
Screens are stocked in Germany - £1500, and the frame is still available at nearly £3000!
Oh nearly forgot - Speedster badge - £18.00
speedster widebodies are very beautiful.
A pitty Porsche didn't build them directly at that time themselves.
What is the current estimation of total value (dollars/euro's) of parts needed to adjust a regular Convertible to a Speedster widebody.
parts:
speedster windscreen
windscreen frame
sun portecting things at windscreen.
doors ( if nowhere to be found, you can adjust regular ones to Speedster specification I believe)
RS doorcards (easily self made)
wheel arches steel (aftermarket?)
narrow body supension to turbo suspension (due to wider body need the other mounting points right)
964 turbo bumper/skirts kit (aftermarket?)
speedster side windows
convertible top for speedster (adjust fron regular convertible?)
speedster plastic part to put roof under (these are made aftermarket)
framework under plastic part to put roof under (custom made?)
2 recaro chairs
(cup mirrors if not already on car)
paint
tons of little things
I estimate you should budget about 20K $ in parts??
That budget might get you the parts that you can see - then there's the steelwork that's different:- 'A' posts, screen cowl/wiper scuttle, rear bulkhead, inner rear arch panels
The rubber seals around the doors, windows, screen base and clam-shell - there's another £1K
The list goes on!
More to follow!What color's your '97 C4 cab? Hope you make the leap: as thrilled as I am with my red jalopy, the world needs an AWD C4S Speedster
Love to see "before" photos of your existing 993, if you haven't already posted them on RL.
As requested: Always glad to make the world a more beautiful place, one 993 Speedster at a time. The 'sickness' has already spread to one beautiful blue example.
Good timing ... there have been a few enthusiasts with serious intent to produce another 993 Speedster, but I'm finally confident there'll be a brand new one to read about here soon.
In the meantime, posts on my "Speedster type 993 photo thread" & elsewhere should get ya started. Excerpts below in chronological order back to March '09.
Also, page 2 & 3 of the "Speedster Widebody" thread & elsewhere have good pix & info, too.
here's what CA's Extreme Motorcars charges for a Speedster conversion, but for a non-factory, Strosek look:
Strosek style Speedster hardtop $2995
Strosek style rear clam shell $495
Factory Porsche parts (below) $6939
Installation & paint charges $4500
Total Speedster conversion $14,929
Factory Porsche Parts
911-541-905-00 Windshield w/Frame 4004.85
911-542-011-48 964-542-911-00 Side Door Glass 572.03
911-542-012-48 964-542-912-00 Side Door Glass 512.33
911-731-101-00-01C Rear View Mirror 89.29
964-731-031-40-CA9 " "-42-CA9 Sun Visor 213.15
964-731-032-40-CA9 Sun Visor 214.73
911-624-055-01 " "-02 Top Locking Latch 628.10
911-624-056-01 " "-02 Top Locking Latch 609.78
911-531-931-42 Door Seal 9.00
911-531-932-42 Door Seal 9.00
911-531-391-01 Door Slot 140.83
911-531-392-01 Door Slot 140.83
911-542-505-40 Door Wind 13.64
911-542-505-40 Door Wind 13.64
911-542-035-42 Door Gu 35.15
911-542-036-42 Door Gu 35.15
911-542-041-03 Window Cr 198.16
911-542-042-03 Window Li 198.16
911-542-245-01 964-542-245-00 Window Gu 37.50
911-542-246-01 964-542-246-00 Window Gu 37.50
AutoAtlanta's the only convenient source I found that lists nearly all parts & prices, including the soft top.
Porsche may have discontinued many of these, so even the following advertised prices may be speculative.
I started with post #41's basic parts list, combined singles into pairs, & updated the ones with hyperlinks.
Not including 993 rear quarter panel fabrication, dash/frame attachment fab for windshield, etc.:
Speedster conversion parts = ~$30,630.
964 563 005 00 Folding soft top $10,200 (includes all ribs & structure?)
964 504 111 00 Clam shell / humps $7,700 [used offered for $5,800] (includes all lines & levers for raising/ lowering?)
964 541 905 00 Windshield w/Frame $8,100
964 542 011/012 00 Side Door Glass $2,000/pair
911-731-101-00-01C Rear View Mirror $90
964-731-031/032-40-CA9 " "-42-CA9 Sun Visor $430/pair
911-624-055/056-01 " "-02 Top Locking Latch $1,240/pair
911-531-931/932-42 Door Seal $18/pair
911-531-391/392-01 Door Slot $280/pair
911-542-505-40 Door Wind $27/pair
911-542-035/036-42 Door Gu $70/pair
911-542-041/042-03 Window Cr & Li $400/pair
911-542-245/246-01 or 964-542-245/246-00 Window Gu $75/pair
Optional:
OEM 964 bucket sport Recaro Speedster seats:
- 964 521 003 70 $8,200/pair
New 964 Speedster doors instead of converting 993's with above parts:
- 964 531 005/006 10 $9,800/pair
OEM RS 964 door panels
[964 Speedster rear quarter panels, for reference:
- 964 503 061/2 02 $4,100/pair]
2 doors
1 screen
1 screen surround support
1 hump
1 roof
dashboard, top skuttle panel, inner bulkhead panels, new A posts, plus in-fill panels, new inner rear quarters, etc etc
Then there's the new turbo rear quarters, sills, internal fill in sections.....the list goes on!
Nearly all the parts are still available direct from Porsche in Germany, and alot of the 'new' panels were pressed back in '94 and just sat on the shelf, but the stocks are dwindling and some NLA.
I think we have majority of the parts - lucky finds have helped, but there are less & less bits out there!
964 Speedster Parts
L & R REAR BULKHEAD, INSERTS, BRACKETS, OUTER SCUTTLE COWL, DASHBOARD, 'A' POSTS (HINGE PILLARS) WING JOINING PLATES. REAR BULKHEAD.
Now that little lot will set you back about £2650.00
To make any narrow body car into a wide body car you would need:-
GUSSET PLATES, DOOR STEPS, FRT FENDER JOINING PLATES, REAR QUARTERS, SUPPORTS, PU SUPPORT TUBES
Again this will cost another £2500 or so.
For the 2S look with the split grille,
GRILLES, CENTRE SUPPORT, CLAMP BAR, REINFORCER
Another £200
And then a myriad of small and not so small parts - sundry seals, insulation, carpets, trim pieces the list goes on but adds another £2000 or so.
Then we have the UK VAT at 15% which is about to increase by 2.5% in the New Year - and maybe more as the Govt continue to hash things up! And any discount that you are able to get from the supplying dealer using PCGB or PCA influence etc!
The most important bits, aside the essential 993 Cabrio ;0 , is obtaining the roof & frame, the 'hump', doors (not butchering standard ones please!) and the screen plus surround.
Screens are stocked in Germany - £1500, and the frame is still available at nearly £3000!
Oh nearly forgot - Speedster badge - £18.00
speedster widebodies are very beautiful.
A pitty Porsche didn't build them directly at that time themselves.
What is the current estimation of total value (dollars/euro's) of parts needed to adjust a regular Convertible to a Speedster widebody.
parts:
speedster windscreen
windscreen frame
sun portecting things at windscreen.
doors ( if nowhere to be found, you can adjust regular ones to Speedster specification I believe)
RS doorcards (easily self made)
wheel arches steel (aftermarket?)
narrow body supension to turbo suspension (due to wider body need the other mounting points right)
964 turbo bumper/skirts kit (aftermarket?)
speedster side windows
convertible top for speedster (adjust fron regular convertible?)
speedster plastic part to put roof under (these are made aftermarket)
framework under plastic part to put roof under (custom made?)
2 recaro chairs
(cup mirrors if not already on car)
paint
tons of little things
I estimate you should budget about 20K $ in parts??
That budget might get you the parts that you can see - then there's the steelwork that's different:- 'A' posts, screen cowl/wiper scuttle, rear bulkhead, inner rear arch panels
The rubber seals around the doors, windows, screen base and clam-shell - there's another £1K
The list goes on!
07-03-2011, 05:05 PM
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You da man!!
Still learning how to use this thing so I hope you get this post. If you do get it, drop me a line on dan_phillips25@yahoo.com
Thank you so much! My 97, 993 C4 Cab is triple black. The car is far from perfect but it's mine! Lol. Only lost half a point on things not requiring new parts in last local concourse. So I figure if I'm going to buy new parts I want to create something relatively unique. What you've done is nothing short of spectacular. Thanks again. Now to go figure out the financials. Hopefully I'll be in a position to start at the beginning of the year.
All the best!!!
Dan
Thank you so much! My 97, 993 C4 Cab is triple black. The car is far from perfect but it's mine! Lol. Only lost half a point on things not requiring new parts in last local concourse. So I figure if I'm going to buy new parts I want to create something relatively unique. What you've done is nothing short of spectacular. Thanks again. Now to go figure out the financials. Hopefully I'll be in a position to start at the beginning of the year.
All the best!!!
Dan
Thanks, Dan -- Jeff Kinder captured a magical Monterey memory above More to follow!
What color's your '97 C4 cab? Hope you make the leap: as thrilled as I am with my red jalopy, the world needs an AWD C4S Speedster
Love to see "before" photos of your existing 993, if you haven't already posted them on RL.
As requested: Always glad to make the world a more beautiful place, one 993 Speedster at a time. The 'sickness' has already spread to one beautiful blue example.
Good timing ... there have been a few enthusiasts with serious intent to produce another 993 Speedster, but I'm finally confident there'll be a brand new one to read about here soon.
In the meantime, posts on my "Speedster type 993 photo thread" & elsewhere should get ya started. Excerpts below in chronological order back to March '09.
Also, page 2 & 3 of the "Speedster Widebody" thread & elsewhere have good pix & info, too.
More to follow!What color's your '97 C4 cab? Hope you make the leap: as thrilled as I am with my red jalopy, the world needs an AWD C4S Speedster
Love to see "before" photos of your existing 993, if you haven't already posted them on RL.
As requested: Always glad to make the world a more beautiful place, one 993 Speedster at a time. The 'sickness' has already spread to one beautiful blue example.
Good timing ... there have been a few enthusiasts with serious intent to produce another 993 Speedster, but I'm finally confident there'll be a brand new one to read about here soon.
In the meantime, posts on my "Speedster type 993 photo thread" & elsewhere should get ya started. Excerpts below in chronological order back to March '09.
Also, page 2 & 3 of the "Speedster Widebody" thread & elsewhere have good pix & info, too.
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You da man!!
Still learning how to use this thing so I hope you get this post. If you do get it, drop me a line on dan_phillips25@yahoo.com
Thank you so much! My 97, 993 C4 Cab is triple black. The car is far from perfect but it's mine! Lol. Only lost half a point on things not requiring new parts in last local concourse. So I figure if I'm going to buy new parts I want to create something relatively unique. What you've done is nothing short of spectacular. Thanks again. Now to go figure out the financials. Hopefully I'll be in a position to start at the beginning of the year.
All the best!!!
Dan
Thank you so much! My 97, 993 C4 Cab is triple black. The car is far from perfect but it's mine! Lol. Only lost half a point on things not requiring new parts in last local concourse. So I figure if I'm going to buy new parts I want to create something relatively unique. What you've done is nothing short of spectacular. Thanks again. Now to go figure out the financials. Hopefully I'll be in a position to start at the beginning of the year.
All the best!!!
Dan
Thanks, Dan -- Jeff Kinder captured a magical Monterey memory above More to follow!
What color's your '97 C4 cab? Hope you make the leap: as thrilled as I am with my red jalopy, the world needs an AWD C4S Speedster
Love to see "before" photos of your existing 993, if you haven't already posted them on RL.
As requested: Always glad to make the world a more beautiful place, one 993 Speedster at a time. The 'sickness' has already spread to one beautiful blue example.
Good timing ... there have been a few enthusiasts with serious intent to produce another 993 Speedster, but I'm finally confident there'll be a brand new one to read about here soon.
In the meantime, posts on my "Speedster type 993 photo thread" & elsewhere should get ya started. Excerpts below in chronological order back to March '09.
Also, page 2 & 3 of the "Speedster Widebody" thread & elsewhere have good pix & info, too.
More to follow!What color's your '97 C4 cab? Hope you make the leap: as thrilled as I am with my red jalopy, the world needs an AWD C4S Speedster
Love to see "before" photos of your existing 993, if you haven't already posted them on RL.
As requested: Always glad to make the world a more beautiful place, one 993 Speedster at a time. The 'sickness' has already spread to one beautiful blue example.
Good timing ... there have been a few enthusiasts with serious intent to produce another 993 Speedster, but I'm finally confident there'll be a brand new one to read about here soon.
In the meantime, posts on my "Speedster type 993 photo thread" & elsewhere should get ya started. Excerpts below in chronological order back to March '09.
Also, page 2 & 3 of the "Speedster Widebody" thread & elsewhere have good pix & info, too.
07-04-2011, 05:32 PM
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^^ Luv to see it 
Dan-- Got it ... you've got mail.
Congrats on what sounds like a strong showing in the concours. If you're good at keeping a clean machine, that's another reason for a triple black Speedster!
Thanks again
If you're interested in a Speedster hard-top for driver education events, there are a couple of U.S. vendors, but usually just basic fiberglass / fiber-reinforced plastic, like this one on eBay.
A retailer that may offer something structurally reinforced is France's D. Moris: a helpful RLer relayed that Moris offers theirs with an "integrated safety roll bar." (No affiliation.)
I e-mailed you info. Review PCA's rollover protection requirements, then let us know if you pursue D. Moris' top. If so, please post anything here that you find: especially photos of the roll bar itself.
Related: "Speedster type 993 photo thread"'s page 30;
Photos of Speedsters with bars supported by their chassis: "Why don't more cab owners install ROLLBARS? ...not eye-pleasing? ...not OEM?" thread.
From the "HARD TOP 993" thread:
I think Strosek and Strosek-type hard tops with no rear quarter wondows are painfully ugly.
Dan-- Got it ... you've got mail.
Congrats on what sounds like a strong showing in the concours. If you're good at keeping a clean machine, that's another reason for a triple black Speedster!
Thanks again
If you're interested in a Speedster hard-top for driver education events, there are a couple of U.S. vendors, but usually just basic fiberglass / fiber-reinforced plastic, like this one on eBay.
A retailer that may offer something structurally reinforced is France's D. Moris: a helpful RLer relayed that Moris offers theirs with an "integrated safety roll bar." (No affiliation.)
I e-mailed you info. Review PCA's rollover protection requirements, then let us know if you pursue D. Moris' top. If so, please post anything here that you find: especially photos of the roll bar itself.
Related: "Speedster type 993 photo thread"'s page 30;
Photos of Speedsters with bars supported by their chassis: "Why don't more cab owners install ROLLBARS? ...not eye-pleasing? ...not OEM?" thread.
From the "HARD TOP 993" thread:
I think Strosek and Strosek-type hard tops with no rear quarter wondows are painfully ugly.
07-05-2011, 09:37 PM
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Jeff's cab is Teal. Very rare. Anyone have pics?
Published today by photographer (& 993 owner) Jeff Kinder to his imagesByJeff.com website:
^^ Photography courtesy & © Jeff Kinder, imagesbyjeff@sbcglobal.net.
Published today by photographer (& 993 owner) Jeff Kinder to his imagesByJeff.com website:
^^ Photography courtesy & © Jeff Kinder, imagesbyjeff@sbcglobal.net.
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07-06-2011, 09:40 PM
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Jeff Kinder's photo, #3 of 3
1 last time, from imagesByJeff.com:
^^ Photography courtesy & © Jeff Kinder, imagesbyjeff@sbcglobal.net.
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07-08-2011, 11:33 PM
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If only I was good at public math, the statistics behind the chances of this photo opportunity 'randomly' happening again might be intriguing.
Maybe I shoulda bought a lottery ticket that day
One of two known 993 Speedsters in the US
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Two 997 Speedsters (of ~100 in the US, each representing one of the only two colors offered)
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One 964 Speedster (~425 in the US)
Maybe I shoulda bought a lottery ticket that day
One of two known 993 Speedsters in the US
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Two 997 Speedsters (of ~100 in the US, each representing one of the only two colors offered)
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One 964 Speedster (~425 in the US)
07-09-2011, 06:18 PM
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I love the new Speedster owner's supplement, which is quirky like mine.
For example, it points out that the owner should get out of the car to open & close the top. Good idea! ...self-critiquing since there are no electric motors in it, just like the lightweight '89 / 964 Speedster top
Speaking of the seats (heated, electric, etc.), I love the RLer's idea who told me he wants to build a custom 997 Speedster with a lightweight interior
For example, it points out that the owner should get out of the car to open & close the top. Good idea! ...self-critiquing since there are no electric motors in it, just like the lightweight '89 / 964 Speedster top
Speaking of the seats (heated, electric, etc.), I love the RLer's idea who told me he wants to build a custom 997 Speedster with a lightweight interior
07-09-2011, 06:23 PM
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Totally agreed. Besides the obvious price reduction, this car positively screams for a set of the 1-piece carbon seats as fitted to the CGT and optional on the Euro 997 GT3 and GT3RS cars. I guess the 2-piece folding buckets introduced in the 997GT2 (and currently available in all 997s) would work too.
07-17-2011, 04:44 PM
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Tim, I'd luv to see race-ready lightweight buckets in the 997s ^^ like both their air-cooled siblings above
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7 photos in 1! ...from the thread that just keeps on giving 
^^Photography courtesy & copyright of Daniel J. Whelchel.
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7 photos in 1! ...from the thread that just keeps on giving ^^Photography courtesy & copyright of Daniel J. Whelchel.
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