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Old 06-16-2024, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by shrimp money
Porsche will keep ICE and manuals…for their $235k+ trim levels.
Gotta milk the boomers and Xers for their money since they have the most and are the ones that actually buy MT.

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Old 06-16-2024, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoomnbyu
1. No one in marketing or engineering of any manufacturer cares what the old guy (higher percentage of current buyers) take rate of manuals is. They're dying at a faster rate than purchasing. If you're older than say 55 (I'm 56) please stop bitching because on average you're not buying more than 1.5-2 more 911s during your lifetime. They care what the next gens are going to be buying multiple of until they age out.

2. The manual take rate for under 50 falls off a cliff similarly to everything else old guys like.

Everyone understands old guys want a manual transmission, a non-mart watch, a fountain pen, and cursive so can we give it a rest?
Why Reenlist did not add a dislike button 😁. Your statements about the quantity of Porsches that a +50 years will be buying and they will be dying at a faster rate is not correct and I’m trying to find a polite word. I’m not 50 yet but love manuals because you drive the car, this is not a playstation feeling, and my kids are learning the manual difference so they can get what they prefer in the near future. If it is not important for Porsche and people, there will be no manual GT3 after the 991.1, manuals in all the versions will be cheaper…and this is not the case, the traditional Porsche enthusiasts love manuals and it is fair to have both options but the regulations in Europe are killing them, that’s why you have a PDK in 7th gear at 50mph bugging like crazy.
I have a manual 992 GT3, a Taycan Turbo, and just arrived my 718 Spyder RS, it has the better PDK you can find, but still it will never give me the connection of a manual transmission, but only PDK for the RS so a trade off I had to take when I decided to trade my previous manual 718 Spyder just only to have this engine in the Spyder too.
There is no wrong answer and for several decades there will be manual buyers, and the prices will go up, because all the people want the things that cannot get, this is the human behavior


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Old 06-16-2024, 12:25 PM
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I love a (good) manual transmission and generally prefer it, but if one wasn't available I'd buy happily buy a PDK.
Old 06-16-2024, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullyield
Here is the difference. When the 992.1 was launched in 2019, Porsche immediately stated that a MT would be available in the S and GTS so buyers could make informed decisions. When Frank Moser was asked in 2024 about a MT for any model of the 992.2, his response was “I don’t know. We are working on it.” You correctly state the difference- with the 992.2 we do not know anything.
I see. But the answer wasn't "no" at least.
Back in 2019, I was interested in purchasing a Cayman T. Like an idiot, I actually wrote to PCNA in like July 2019 asking when it might be released in the US. Their answer was "we have no plans of releasing the Cayman T in the US at this time". And they launched it in November of 2019. Moral of that story is that Porsche will say whatever and we are expected to take it all with a grain of salt until it's officially launched or not launched. Remember when speculators "invested" in the 991 R thinking it would be the last NA manual then too? And then Porsche dropped the GT3 Touring infamously saying their purpose is not to pad people's financial portfolios? LOL!

My advice for those who really want a manual 911 and don't yet have one is to buy a used one now. Those who already have one, keep it. What we do know for sure is that there won't be a new manual 911 for half to a full model year. If they do eventually release an attainable .2 manual, then sell the .1 because I'm pretty confident the anti-hybridders will ensure the .1 values will hold. This would be the win-win situation.
Old 06-16-2024, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoomnbyu
1. No one in marketing or engineering of any manufacturer cares what the old guy (higher percentage of current buyers) take rate of manuals is. They're dying at a faster rate than purchasing. If you're older than say 55 (I'm 56) please stop bitching because on average you're not buying more than 1.5-2 more 911s during your lifetime. They care what the next gens are going to be buying multiple of until they age out.

2. The manual take rate for under 50 falls off a cliff similarly to everything else old guys like.

Everyone understands old guys want a manual transmission, a non-mart watch, a fountain pen, and cursive so can we give it a rest?
I think this is the wrong take in the longer term. Most of the younger guys (under 55) who can afford 911s make their money in tech and many are interested in "analogue" experiences. This is actually why mechanical watches, vinyl records, and other "analogue" items are growing in popularity. I would argue that manual transmissions will come back into style with younger people.
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Old 06-16-2024, 05:25 PM
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^ Sure, there will always be a small percentage of buyers that want a new MT car. But at what cost to the company, especially with the added cost to develop a MT that complies with global emissions? Or the cost to just develop a car for certain markets? At some point it no longer makes sense, and that point is fast approaching.
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Hate to say it but manual transmissions are a thing of the past...once you really start to live with and use the PDK you'll stop thinking about manual shifting.
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Originally Posted by Sharknaydo
Hate to say it but manual transmissions are a thing of the past...once you really start to live with and use the PDK you'll stop thinking about manual shifting.

I strongly disagree and so do a large portion of the automotive press.

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Old 06-17-2024, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharknaydo
Hate to say it but manual transmissions are a thing of the past...once you really start to live with and use the PDK you'll stop thinking about manual shifting.
Not at all, year 2016 I had a 981 GT4 manual and a 991.2 GTS pdk full exhaust etc etc…i grab the keys of the GT4 8/10 times, so boring to PlayStation the drive. No wrong answer but every time I have the option to go manual I enjoyed it much more than pdk, so not always happens what you say.

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Old 06-17-2024, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TUD
I strongly disagree and so do a large portion of the automotive press.
Extremely few members of the automotive press are actually customers, and even the instagram celebs are mostly short term flippers.
Old 06-17-2024, 01:57 AM
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Once the manufacturers went to more than a 5 Speed Manual Gearbox, for the fuel economy numbers, they lost me. I had a 6 speed Corvette and that really got to be a real PIA. In the reality of the traffic in any major city and as I live in the Los Angeles area I know of where I speak. While I may prefer the Zen of having a manual transmission the function of a PDK, as good as the one in my 992 is, it just makes a Manual Transmission a real hard sell. If and when I begin to see folks clamoring for the deletion of the ancillary systems that the early 911's didn't have, but their new and righteously manual transmission equipped 911 does have, that's when I'll buy into their "purest" argument in support of a manual transmission. Let's forgo: Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Power Door Locks, Power Two and Four Wheel Steering, Boosted ABS Brake systems, 4 Wheel Drive, Power Heated Manual Mirrors (on the drivers AND the passengers side), Heated AND Cooled Seats, Headlights that adjust their aim automatically based on the steering wheel position, Cruise Control and Automatic Cruise Control, Then there are the other acronyms: LKA, LCA, FAL, Electronic Curb Feelers and Parking Cameras, etc., etc. Who is kidding who? The list is practically endless. So now what?

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Old 06-17-2024, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexCeres
Extremely few members of the automotive press are actually customers, and even the instagram celebs are mostly short term flippers.
Yet, many of them own other vehicles with manual transmissions. In Jasons case multiple including an E30 BMW and a VW Scirocco.
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are there any good manual hybrids in the market?
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Originally Posted by PoorPorscheMan
are there any good manual hybrids in the market?

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Originally Posted by TUD
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kudos to Porsche if they can do it but it’s like reinventing the wheel if they do


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