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The next Gen M5 is to be revealed this summer and it will be a hybrid. The XM is a mild hybrid.
I was informed this week by upper management at a BMW dealership that BMW NA is pulling back on EVs within the United States as they have come to learn that the market for them is not where they thought it would be and customer complaints pertaining to the charging infrastructure within the United States have been abundant.
The M5 hasn’t been a manual in many years.
The Z4, M2, M3, and M4 are still offered with manual transmissions.
BMW is selling a lot of EVs to help their fleet CO2 numbers. Heck, 13% of the BMWs sold in the US are EVs.
But isn’t Porsche part of the overall VW group like Lexus is part of Toyota.
I don’t think 911 sales make a huge impact on CO2 numbers considering how many Macans are out there. I rather Porsche make all SUVs hybrid first before coming for 911…..
The M5 hasn’t been a manual in many years.
The Z4, M2, M3, and M4 are still offered with manual transmissions.
I am very well aware as I have owned multiple M cars for over 30 years. As noted in my last post quoting you, you did not specificity state “manual” M cars in your second paragraph.
The Z4 offering is not a M car, it is a M Performance model with the B58, not a S58. S designated engines = M division. Secondly, a Competition model cannot be had in the G8X M3/M4 with a manual. Base G8X M3/M4 only with the manual.
Edit: FYI, The reality is Porsche still sells multiple models with a manual, more so than BMW. BMW = one non-M via the Z4 M40i, and three Ms via the G87 M2 and base G8X M3/M4. That is only four in the U.S. The manual offering is longer at Porsche.
I’m so happy to see so many fellow Porsche owners defending the company NOT offering manuals and going hybrid/EV.
Basically now the high performance Carrera models will no longer offer a manual and be hybrid only. While new Cayman / Boxster is EV only. Just wonderful news for us car enthusiasts and long time Porsche owners/supporters.
Seriously. Only 4 trims have been announced out of the 30+ the 992.2 will end up with by the end of production. Hyperventilating just isn't healthy.
The same “insiders” that predicted the launch correctly said S and GTS will be PDK only.
So your options will be Turbo manual and GT3 - good luck getting one. The T will come out in few years from now.
I am very well aware as I have owned multiple M cars for over 30 years. As noted in my last post quoting you, you did not specificity state “manual” M cars in your second paragraph.
The Z4 offering is not a M car, it is a M Performance model with the B58, not a S58. S designated engines = M division. Secondly, a Competition model cannot be had in the G8X M3/M4 with a manual. Base G8X M3/M4 only with the manual.
Edit: FYI, The reality is Porsche still sells multiple models with a manual, more so than BMW. BMW = one non-M via the Z4 M40i, and three Ms via the G87 M2 and base G8X M3/M4. That is only four in the U.S. The manual offering is longer at Porsche.
Cayman/Boxster is ending production next year and will be EV so at that point BMW will have more. BMW offers sedan, 2 coupes, convertible and a roadster in manual. Porsche has always been more sportier brand so that’s why I’m surprised that they have made this sudden pivot.
Why is there no "S" on rollout? Or "T" model? Isn't it odd that they roll out the Base and GTS first?
Porsche is an Engineering firm first, a car manufacturer secondary - as they always have been. I suspect they reserved those models while they work on a manual trans for them. It's all speculation at this point, but don't count them down and out just yet.
They ALWAYS release cars slowly over a few years
Check any of the generations
997 was Base and S
Then Cabs
Then 4's
The GTS
Then Turbo/GT3
I’m so happy to see so many fellow Porsche owners defending the company NOT offering manuals and going hybrid/EV.
Basically now the high performance Carrera models will no longer offer a manual and be hybrid only. While new Cayman / Boxster is EV only. Just wonderful news for us car enthusiasts and long time Porsche owners/supporters.
The EV Boxster/Cayman are not ending for another 15+ months. EOP October 2025.
Cayman/Boxster is ending production next year and will be EV so at that point BMW will have more. BMW offers sedan, 2 coupes, convertible and a roadster in manual. Porsche has always been more sportier brand so that’s why I’m surprised that they have made this sudden pivot.
BMW is in the works of eradicating the manual transmission as well.
One must keep in mind the R&D cost, mandated crash requirements of every model sold with a manual, CAFE regulations, and lackluster manual sales which all play a rather large part of the manual transmission’s inevitable demise at most, if not eventually all manufactures.
BMW offers zero new sedans with a manual in the U.S. The same goes for new convertibles, sans the G29 Z4 M40i. Note, all NA 3-Series are produced in Mexico alongside the 2-Series Coupes (230/240) and G87 M2 which are only produced in Mexico for the world.
I can spit out factual BMW info all day long, but seeing this is not the venue for that I will refrain from doing so any further.
The same “insiders” that predicted the launch correctly said S and GTS will be PDK only.
So your options will be Turbo manual and GT3 - good luck getting one. The T will come out in few years from now.
So ? Wait a few more years for a T. These cars are very durable. Nobody is forcing you to sell the one you have now. It’ll last.
A manual Turbo makes me salivate like frying up bacon. A baby sports classic ? More modern, less heritage navel gazing, no limited edition premium ? Take my money. Not worried about my luck.
BMW is in the works of eradicating the manual transmission as well.
One must keep in mind the R&D cost, mandated crash requirements of every model sold with a manual, CAFE regulations, and lackluster manual sales which all play a rather large part of the manual transmission’s inevitable demise at most, if not eventually all manufactures.
BMW offers zero new sedans with a manual in the U.S. The same goes for new convertibles, sans the G29 Z4 M40i. Note, all NA 3-Series are produced in Mexico alongside the 2-Series Coupes (230/240) and G87 M2 which are only produced in Mexico for the world.
I can spit out factual BMW info all day long, but seeing this is not the venue for that I will refrain from doing so any further.
M3 is a sedan and has manual.
M3/M4 will be in production until 2027 and M2 until 2029 so still many more years.
Next gen will probably be hybrid so no manual.
Again I just always thought Porsche would be last holdout but not the case it seems.
So ? Wait a few more years for a T. These cars are very durable. Nobody is forcing you to sell the one you have now. It’ll last.
A manual Turbo makes me salivate like frying up bacon. A baby sports classic ? More modern, less heritage navel gazing, no limited edition premium ? Take my money. Not worried about my luck.
Get ready to pay massive ADM for Turbo or GT3 manuals.
I never thought the day would come that BMW offered more manuals than Porsche.
I still don’t get how BMW can still sell all ICE M cars while 911 went hybrid especially considering the fact that the Porsche ppl always stated they will keep 911s ICE and manual as long as possible.
ONE trim out of just the two INITAL 992.2 models at introduction is hybridized and a light hybrid at that. The sky has not fallen.
Originally Posted by detansinn
BMW is selling a lot of EVs to help their fleet CO2 numbers. Heck, 13% of the BMWs sold in the US are EVs.
06-15-2024, 03:26 PM
