992.2 ~25% Fewer Customers?
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1. No one in marketing or engineering of any manufacturer cares what the old guy (higher percentage of current buyers) take rate of manuals is. They're dying at a faster rate than purchasing. If you're older than say 55 (I'm 56) please stop bitching because on average you're not buying more than 1.5-2 more 911s during your lifetime. They care what the next gens are going to be buying multiple of until they age out.
2. The manual take rate for under 50 falls off a cliff similarly to everything else old guys like.
Everyone understands old guys want a manual transmission, a non-mart watch, a fountain pen, and cursive so can we give it a rest?
2. The manual take rate for under 50 falls off a cliff similarly to everything else old guys like.
Everyone understands old guys want a manual transmission, a non-mart watch, a fountain pen, and cursive so can we give it a rest?
I have a manual 992 GT3, a Taycan Turbo, and just arrived my 718 Spyder RS, it has the better PDK you can find, but still it will never give me the connection of a manual transmission, but only PDK for the RS so a trade off I had to take when I decided to trade my previous manual 718 Spyder just only to have this engine in the Spyder too.
There is no wrong answer and for several decades there will be manual buyers, and the prices will go up, because all the people want the things that cannot get, this is the human behavior
Last edited by Bill_76; 06-17-2024 at 03:00 PM.
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Tedster (06-19-2024)
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I love a (good) manual transmission and generally prefer it, but if one wasn't available I'd buy happily buy a PDK.
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Here is the difference. When the 992.1 was launched in 2019, Porsche immediately stated that a MT would be available in the S and GTS so buyers could make informed decisions. When Frank Moser was asked in 2024 about a MT for any model of the 992.2, his response was “I don’t know. We are working on it.” You correctly state the difference- with the 992.2 we do not know anything.
Back in 2019, I was interested in purchasing a Cayman T. Like an idiot, I actually wrote to PCNA in like July 2019 asking when it might be released in the US. Their answer was "we have no plans of releasing the Cayman T in the US at this time". And they launched it in November of 2019. Moral of that story is that Porsche will say whatever and we are expected to take it all with a grain of salt until it's officially launched or not launched. Remember when speculators "invested" in the 991 R thinking it would be the last NA manual then too? And then Porsche dropped the GT3 Touring infamously saying their purpose is not to pad people's financial portfolios? LOL!
My advice for those who really want a manual 911 and don't yet have one is to buy a used one now. Those who already have one, keep it. What we do know for sure is that there won't be a new manual 911 for half to a full model year. If they do eventually release an attainable .2 manual, then sell the .1 because I'm pretty confident the anti-hybridders will ensure the .1 values will hold. This would be the win-win situation.
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1. No one in marketing or engineering of any manufacturer cares what the old guy (higher percentage of current buyers) take rate of manuals is. They're dying at a faster rate than purchasing. If you're older than say 55 (I'm 56) please stop bitching because on average you're not buying more than 1.5-2 more 911s during your lifetime. They care what the next gens are going to be buying multiple of until they age out.
2. The manual take rate for under 50 falls off a cliff similarly to everything else old guys like.
Everyone understands old guys want a manual transmission, a non-mart watch, a fountain pen, and cursive so can we give it a rest?
2. The manual take rate for under 50 falls off a cliff similarly to everything else old guys like.
Everyone understands old guys want a manual transmission, a non-mart watch, a fountain pen, and cursive so can we give it a rest?
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Tedster (06-19-2024)
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^ Sure, there will always be a small percentage of buyers that want a new MT car. But at what cost to the company, especially with the added cost to develop a MT that complies with global emissions? Or the cost to just develop a car for certain markets? At some point it no longer makes sense, and that point is fast approaching.
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Once the manufacturers went to more than a 5 Speed Manual Gearbox, for the fuel economy numbers, they lost me. I had a 6 speed Corvette and that really got to be a real PIA. In the reality of the traffic in any major city and as I live in the Los Angeles area I know of where I speak. While I may prefer the Zen of having a manual transmission the function of a PDK, as good as the one in my 992 is, it just makes a Manual Transmission a real hard sell. If and when I begin to see folks clamoring for the deletion of the ancillary systems that the early 911's didn't have, but their new and righteously manual transmission equipped 911 does have, that's when I'll buy into their "purest" argument in support of a manual transmission. Let's forgo: Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Power Door Locks, Power Two and Four Wheel Steering, Boosted ABS Brake systems, 4 Wheel Drive, Power Heated Manual Mirrors (on the drivers AND the passengers side), Heated AND Cooled Seats, Headlights that adjust their aim automatically based on the steering wheel position, Cruise Control and Automatic Cruise Control, Then there are the other acronyms: LKA, LCA, FAL, Electronic Curb Feelers and Parking Cameras, etc., etc. Who is kidding who? The list is practically endless. So now what?
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