Porsche992

Not sure if you don't know but the 911 is a car used by a tiny group of people on earth

Porsche992

they make the best selling car in the world the model Y with those sales plummeting haha

Schn3ll

Both points are not mutually exclusive. Hence the massive Tesla layoffs…

Keadog

I’m waiting to get a ride in the one millionth robo taxi from Tesla sometime this year. Wait, what? Calling Nicole.

Meanwhile, back to Porsche. What I would love would be for them to retool back to the 993, make me a ‘98 C4S and just update the PCM to accommodate a Bluetooth connection to my iPhone and an 8” or so screen. Far fetched dream but possibly somewhat more likely than a million full self driving Tesla taxis anytime soon.

The no MT allows me to not honestly not want one. That feels very liberating. And my guess is the eventual release of a MT open air car will be either too expensive for my budget or unavailable to nobodies like me. I paid for the +3 maintenance package on this car as part of the “no ADM” deal, so I’ll be keeping it a while I think.

Staffie Guy

This is a Porsche forum and the car in question is a 911.
Most, if not all, of the owners of a 911 do not view driving as a hassle.

pal

I recently picked up a 2024 GTS, the first car I’ve configured to my liking, and my first Porsche. With all the chatter over the last few years about the GT4, and mid-engine Cayman balance, I was leaning towards that. But 2 things happened about 2 years ago. First, I drove a Cayman GTS 4.0 at PECLA for half a day, and while I liked the car, I didn’t love it. Great handling, but felt mainstream, power was average, and the interior felt dated. It felt a lot like a sports car version of my F87 BMW M2. Second, I rode with an instructor buddy at Thunderhill Raceway in his 992.1 Carrera S. And after that 20 min ride, I stopped thinking about GT4s altogether, and knew that my first P-car will be a 911, and a 992. I absolutely loved the interior - switch gear toggles, the curved and almost floating instrument cluster, no extraneous buttons like the 991s and earlier cars etc. The power, and how the car put it to the pavement, just felt right, and very industrial.

If that 992.1 was a 992.2, I would have probably felt close to the same. Yes, the instrument cluster does not have that curved, floating look; but, the rest of it is still quintessential 992. My only gripe with the .2 is the lack of a manual offering; but, that also gives me some relief as I won’t be coveting that car I really hope Porsche has at least one or two manual offerings that are not “limited” productions like the S/T or S/C, or just the GT3.

The drivetrain evolution from the 9A2 to the 9A3 is absolutely innovative, with a 100% performance focus. And I’ve absolutely enjoyed learning about it, and the thinking that went into it.

2thHappy

I can definitively get behind this pov. I saw a pic of Bono writing a song and he had an Apple macbook on his lap. There are still authors that write their books with pen and paper.

2thHappy

Every survey sent to me from Porsche regarding hybrid/EV power, I tell them I disagree or won't purchase a car with that source of power. Same with elimination of the manual.

2thHappy

My understanding of the other Porsche models going hybrid or EV was so that the 911 could remain a pure involved sports car. Doesn't seem like that is going to happen.

Angryinch

They are priming the consumer for full EV, less engagement more electrical.

Wilder

I don't think decisions were made by focus groups.
I also don't think Porsche's plans are to make the 911 full EV. That would be suicide.
These decisions are being made by pubco managers with a fiduciary duty to deliver ever increasing profits.
Deleting the start key seems like a financial decision.
Deleting the analog tach seems like a financial decision.
Going hybrid seems like a competitive and compliance decision.
While I'm sure engineers do their best to balance requirements and KPIs imposed upon them, Porsche is no longer a driver-driven engineering firm.
It is a pubco focused on making money and their product decisions increasingly reflect that.

AlexCeres

Porsche sells approximately 11,000 911s a quarter worldwide. Only a small fraction of those are GT cars. The others have always been more comfortable, more tech, more assistants sports cars with some grand touring thrown in. Cars for dentists and doctors and finance types, not track rats.

Always. For decades. The overwhelming majority of Porsche customers are not like you.

Some much bitching. Don’t buy the car. But a gt3. Or a gt4. Or dip into a used car. Want legacy feel, just go buy legacy. The Porsche community has some of the best maintained broadest market for used cars of any marque.

In the mean time, I thank everyone who buys a hybrid 911 or EV Macan so Porsche makes a ton of money, and stays in Motorsport and keeps building the cars I want. 🥃

YWG_YYZ

Before I start to counter, I want to say that I agree what you said from a Rennlist enthusiast perspective.
I don’t think they are wrong. Actually no one knows until we see the net revenue figures for the .2 and compared it to the .1 or the 991.2.
I just do not like the directions that Porsche is heading. (They could very well be on track to achieve what they want to do).
Every car company needs to be profitable to be sustainable. What made Porsche unique in the past, ie. late 90s when AP started to work for the GT department, there were other priorities such as winning races, or carry on fun experiments that are engineering driven. While those other goals will hopefully lead to better profits, there was an understanding that profit isn’t then only aspect that counts. With the .2 we can clearly see decisions now tilted the other way.
BMW did the same from the F30 gen of cars. Dilute the ultimate driving machine, then more sales follow.
Interestingly, Toyota is now the other way around. In early 2000s there wasnt anything interesting. Akio just got annoyed at constantly hearing people complaining that Toyota makes only boring cars. Sure, the Supra, GR86 are not pure Toyotas (GR Yaris and Corolla are). From a profit perspective, it doesn’t make sense for Toyota to spend time and resource to develop these cars (just like how domestic have abandoned sedans). But they did it because they want to make something fun and interesting (and still be somewhat profitable with these small projects). These are the intangibles. These projects inspire young enthusiatic engineers. They also create loyal enthusiate followings (which are not immediately obvious on the balance sheet).

Hunky

This is the whole thing. Taycan appeared to be a winner out of the gate but really crashed and burned afterwards. We see very of few of them on the road here in South Florida. I guess I am like the vast majority who has absolutely no intentions of purchasing an EV in forseeable future.

dudeoverthere

I find driving a hassle. Which is why I daily a 911. Now it's enjoyable. With a sports car I drive for driving sake. I don't take the SUV out just to burn gas. 997 tech was meh. 991 is decent. They really got the tech and interior of the 992 right. I'll happily drive this one until I can't.

Tesla has a problem with their crazy red pill leader. Whom a lot of buyers (eco democrats) disdain. They have anxiety over owning a Tesla. Just check the forums.

What else? Government regulation is driving ev, hybrid etc. Porsche has to meet fleet emissions standards. If you want a new GT3 touring you need to embrace the sale of t-hybrid pdk GTS cars.

Enjoy it while you can. I think there are good odds we'll see older in cars banned. Starting with California. Which is a shame because of that states strong classic car culture. Already seeing speed nanny legislation being successful.