Originally Posted by detansinn

I predict that we'll see mild hybridization across the board with the 992.2 -- the 8-speed PDK was built for an electric motor.
We'll likely see a performance hybrid TT/TTS with more substantial electrification and "Hybrid" badging to go along with it.
Frankly, the cars will be better for it. It's not like there's anything analog about the current experience anyway.

I am all for a 911 hybrid, because it will bring back the throttle response that we lost when the whole line-up got turbochargers. Having put 20k miles on my Taycan, the turbo lag and lesser throttle response of a turbocharged 992 is conspicuous when get behind the wheel.

Porsche has said that there will be no plug-in hybrid for the 992 generation, but you can expect the 994 to "go there" with a more substantial high voltage battery pack.

Even the NA GT3 is likely to get some kind of electrification in the future. It nearly went turbocharged for this generation, but Porsche was able to sell so many Taycans that they could keep the lower volume GT3 cars NA.

Now, I just need to stay away from the GT3RS configurator until the .2 cars land. LOL

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

While I don't disagree with you, I do think there is a difference between instant torque (EV) and gradual torque (ICE -- either NA or FI).

Having put about 5k miles now on an EV6, in my opinion there is no ICE setup (either pure NA or FI) that will replicate the instant full torque of an EV.

Mild hybrid, or KERS, in upcoming 992.2 is almost inevitable and probably welcomed, but I seriously doubt it will replicate the throttle response of an EV (is it even right to call it "throttle" on an EV ...?).

Originally Posted by remington

Consider the weight and complexity issue vs the benefit...the non-GT 911 is a daily driver, and where launch control is used 2 or 3 times the first week of ownership and never used again, you will be hauling the equivalent of a passenger around with you 24/7. The mission of a supercar and a 911 is very different. No one is dailying a LaFerrari. That 2 second 0-60 time is not all that useful on the 405 especially when it's costing you 100+ lbs and don't forget that extra weight requires bigger brakes and more suspension electronic trickery. The drive towards hybridization is unavoidable for Porsche but it doesn't mean it will result in a more enjoyable sports car.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

While I don't disagree with you, I do think there is a difference between instant torque (EV) and gradual torque (ICE -- either NA or FI).

Having put about 5k miles now on an EV6, in my opinion there is no ICE setup (either pure NA or FI) that will replicate the instant full torque of an EV.

Mild hybrid, or KERS, in upcoming 992.2 is almost inevitable and probably welcomed, but I seriously doubt it will replicate the throttle response of an EV (is it even right to call it "throttle" on an EV ...?).

Originally Posted by VintageRacer

I doubt very few Porsche 911 owners care one bit about instant acceleration times. I do not care. I have ordered my 9th Porsche 911. Porsche made their reputation by producing reliable sports cars that could win endurance races. It's not a dragstrip car nor a car for 5 laps around Road Atlanta (which I've never seen). It's a car engineered to run hard all day and every year.

I am not spending $200K on an electric car. I'll keep my ICE cars and buy a ugly Toyota Prius for $30K if that is what is required via government regulations.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

...But if you have not, try a Taycan at a track. It will open your eyes and mind to the possibilities. The only thing, in my opinion, that is really holding back EV's as commonplace HPDE vehicles is charging infrastructure at local tracks (or the lack thereof). And maybe weight, but with weight we all sort of just get used to it. I worry less about me when it comes to weight, and more about the rubber and brakes, but that's an entirely different thread and topic.

Originally Posted by Nibiru12

Are you saying that Porsche 918 and Ferrari LaFerrari, SF90, Lamborghini Sián are no fun to drive due to their hybrid weight panelty?

I thought all the supercar manufacturers were heading towards hybrid powertrain... and super cars are also fun to drive...

Well, 911 is not really a supercar for the ultra-riches, but the tech trickles down for us.... (mostly upper middle class older men )

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

I am not telling you are wrong, nor necessarily arguing with you.

But if you have not, try a Taycan at a track. It will open your eyes and mind to the possibilities. The only thing, in my opinion, that is really holding back EV's as commonplace HPDE vehicles is charging infrastructure at local tracks (or the lack thereof). And maybe weight, but with weight we all sort of just get used to it. I worry less about me when it comes to weight, and more about the rubber and brakes, but that's an entirely different thread and topic.

Originally Posted by aggie57

Imagine if 50% of entrants at a typical HPDE day turned up with EV’s. I can see lines for chargers stretching quite some distance….assuming the track has some.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

My local track has a DC fast charger, and tracking a Taycan Turbo S is a blast.

Like I said up above, only limitation is tires and brakes, which (unlike electricity) is not cheap.

Originally Posted by aggie57

out of interest, how long does a charge last when tracking the Taycan?

Originally Posted by rouxeny

My wife drives a Model X. It’s not a particularly “fun” car, mostly because of it’s hefty weight. But the instantaneous acceleration is quite impressive. It’s easy to see that electric cars are the future, and that a “fun” in the traditional sense electric sports car is an inevitability with a short timeline. Other than the auditory enjoyment of the IC engine and exhaust, and the mechanical enjoyment of a manual transmission, an electric track car will be better in all other ways.

I’m a Nick Murray fan. He has some interesting insights, I enjoyed his options video and learned a lot from him. He’s clearly a big Porsche fan while also willing to call a spade a spade when deserved.