992.2 April 2024 Release
12-23-2022 | 03:55 PM
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12-23-2022 | 03:57 PM
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Been looking at the Panameras to replace an X5M that we have had for over 2 years and don't have much need for the large cargo space. Checked out a 2022 Panamera Turbo recently and damn is that a cool car that checks the majority of boxes. This could be a very easy alternative to a 992 at this point. Probably will be a tough call for you between the two which is certainly a nice pair to own indeed. 
12-23-2022 | 03:59 PM
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They could go with a capacitor solution ( https://passive-components.eu/could-...in-future-evs/ ) that would not add much weight with a flux engine (Artura again). It's not really a hybrid on the common sense of the word but it could help in low revs as the turbos spool up. Again, not sure if VW would go with that or the EU market, given the relatively low impact in CO2 emissions.
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12-23-2022 | 04:32 PM
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Sorry, but the Panamera isn't on it last legs. Just read an article yesterday that the Panamera is going to be built along with the 2nd Generation Taycan as an all-electric in 2027; with the Taycan being the speed-demon and the Panamera being more luxurious to compete with the Mercedes EQS and Lucid Air. https://www.carvibz.com/news/2024-po...or-production/ And don't be mistaken, the Panamera Turbo S is a speed and handling monster. It did the Nurburgring in 7:29. Trust me, it scoots. And because it is such a fantastic car, I talked myself out of the more powerful/extreme 911 Turbo S because I don't track my cars, and thought there's a good chance that if I was in a 911 Turbo S on the streets I might end up in jail or lose my drivers license. It's incredible how these cars hide their speed and I can be going 110mph and it certainly doesn't feel like it. So I talked it over with my SA, and read everything I could find, and settled on the C4 GTS because it has almost the identical power to weight ratio as the Panamera Turbo S. So far so good, but I've got a long way to go before I get past the break-in miles and can really find out. Maybe one day if Porsche doesn't make the 911 Turbo S a hybrid, and prices go back to normal, I'll switch to that; because I'd be lying if a part of me isn't regretting not buying the 911 Turbo S (at least until I think about the sky-high ADM's) but we'll see how it plays out.Not saying by any stretch that the Panamera is in any way better than the 911. Just trying to convey that the Panamera Turbo S at least is an extremely comfortable, very fast car that handles infinitely better than any other sedan I've driven and is no slouch. Can't speak to the other trims because I've never driven them.https://www.carvibz.com/news/2024-po...or-production/
The current Panamera as an ICE vehicle will no longer exist as we know it. It will exist in name only.
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12-24-2022 | 12:29 PM
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12-24-2022 | 03:26 PM
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China isn't going anywhere, and b/c when China farts, the rest of the Gretinism acolytes all get diarrhea, we will all be worried about C02 emissions until at least until our children are dead.
01-01-2023 | 09:03 PM
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911 getting closer to the panamera. For instance (from the same source for the current generations)Targa 4S weights at 3898 lbs / 1768 Kg, Panamera 4 4405 lbs / 1998 Kg and 911 Coupe Turbo S at 3975 lbs / 1803 Kg. I know it's the worst case for the 911, but in the past the gap was much wider. I drove the Artura, which uses a formula that should be quite common for sports cars in the current time and near future - small battery, sandwiched electric motor. The car is an absolute blast to drive. Very much in the GT/track day territory. But it's a CF monocoque tube weighing just below 1500 kg, which I really don't see carreras having it. The 992 already uses a lot of aluminum compared to the 991.
There is a table at 28:39 that shows the weight of the Artura, GT4RS, 296 GTB and the other contenders.
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01-02-2023 | 07:07 AM
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Credible rumors say it will be the 4L NA unit — at least in the S or GTS models. That’s what I’m waiting for!
Not a fan of the 992 (for many of the reasons you mentioned); loved the 991.2 generation.
A 4L NA 992.2 would be a keeper.
Not a fan of the 992 (for many of the reasons you mentioned); loved the 991.2 generation.
A 4L NA 992.2 would be a keeper.
01-02-2023 | 07:18 AM
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Love the idea of fire-breathing 4.0L in a 992.2 C2S!
The GTS can go hybrid, with a higher price tag for the celebs to brag about their emission footprint.
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01-02-2023 | 10:07 AM
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I believe this has been shot down multiple times, including from official sources. Would love to be wrong
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01-02-2023 | 10:36 AM
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01-02-2023 | 12:05 PM
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Yes, and prototype interiors have been photographed with a boost gauge inside. Unless that was a fake to throw people off, it appears the turbos are here to stay. Would be cool if the GTS moved to the 4.0l. I think it should.That’s likely a long shot
01-02-2023 | 01:48 PM
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01-02-2023 | 01:55 PM
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They won’t spend the money to develop radically new powertrains (NA 4.0L with Hybrid) as they can only sell these vehicles until 2035 in major markets. If hybrids find their way into all the units, it will be a small motor added onto the transmission as this was already designed into the platform.