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Yeah. Those early press releases weren't favorable. I didn't care. It was my first 911 and I was ecstatic about having something that was special and I could afford. Glad you got one now. Enjoy!
Not all T's hit the mark. The highly respected EVO magazine has rated the 2023 911 T as the best in the range, while also rating the 2023 Macan T the worst in the range!
EVO RATING
Chassis and powertrain combination is hard to fault
Some will dismiss the new 911 Carrera T as a more expensive way to still be slower than the more powerful 911 Carrera S, which would be missing the point spectacularly for this latest addition to the 992-generation of Porsche’s 911 Carrera is the best one you can buy.
Funny I’ve just pushed the button on a Macan T😊 . Had the S demo last weekend and the T for a few days this week and picked the T as it was more nimble.
The T was brilliant and maybe my expectations are lower but for a daily it fits my needs.
I have a 991T so that may have clouded my judgement somewhat😜
Interesting!
Sometimes it comes down to the individual reviewing the car.
CAR magazine slates it too but some magazines give it a better review.
About the press cars it’s not so strange guys. What happened in California was a Porsche introduction. This is mostly worldwide. All the other reviews are done by press reviewers who get the cars from the individual national dealers. And the national dealers all get the cars the same time as we get them. Production for the 992 T has just started last week. So the first cars will be delivered to all dealers starting next week probably. Just a bit more patient. @reddysum
Originally Posted by neurodoc123
My final cofig on carerra T. Delivery June. Motorsport Stripe Decal on Top in Red
Any chance of adding the red seatbelt and/or the red tacho/dial? Would be brilliant with the red stripe. Combining interior with exterior.
Originally Posted by Ikone
I had the roof liner in Alcantara on the 991.2T (standard) and I loved it but probably only noticed it once or twice. I rarely looked up there.
Originally Posted by A Nonce
I also don't get the sunroof thing....
Roof lining in Race-Tex is difficult to see if you don’t have the glass sunroof. I just love Race-Tex. So for that reason I ordered the sunroof. That little extra weight means less to me than having that beautiful look at the roof lining. Why order an option that is almost not visible? I also hate the dark 911 interior in general. It’s just another perspective at looking at things.
You can really forget about this view if you don’t have the glass sunroof.
There was a ice grey 992 Targa in the showroom yesterday, it’s absolutely stunning! The contrast with the grey T bits will be amazing 🤩 Great choice, I’ve gone for Crayon on the Macan and it’s great looking for the same reason🤓
Re the reviews for the Macan T, completely agree some are lukewarm at best but the proof was in the pudding for me. Smoking tire gave it high praise and Matt loved the 991T so maybe he gets it! I was genuinely going for an S but went for the T😎
At first I was a little annoyed by the "dealer spec" going PDK, add rear seats, glass sunroof etc... because its just not the point of the T, but I guess it makes all of the cars that do go more lightweight and T focused more unique. But still, hard to believe that dealers don't think they could sell a 7-speed T with no rear seats...They just want to go with the high percentage sale probability
Originally Posted by Ikone
I can understand adding rear seat, but PDK, sunroof and FAL with no RAS?
Originally Posted by A Nonce
If one thing, I guess at least dealers are historically consistent. Out of the 4 991.2 Carrera T's for sale, on the Porsche Finder site, it looks like they are all PDK + Sunroof and no RAS! I can see *some* people getting PDK (no judgement) but for *most* of Carrera T's to be specced with a PDK is a travesty! I also don't get the sunroof thing....
Porsche shouldn't even allow that build. Tell the dealer to just order a base instead. At some point removing so many things or adding others just changes the model of the car.
I'll be honest, I'm buying a T because I could not get a base or S allocation. I also specced it with PDK, rear seats and sunroof. I did not add RAS to the build. Did I steal someone else's T allocation? Probably. But when I secured mine with the dealer, I asked the sales manager to see if there's someone with manual S, who only bought an S because of manual option and would like to swap for T. Delaer said none. I also got a T allocation after talking to about 30 dealerships across US for either base (12 months wait) or S (12 to 24 month wait). When I specced the T and base, the build came to the same MSRP (almost).
I think Porshce makes it confusing by giving an option to choose between manual or PDK on T. If "T" is truly a performance car and wanted to keep it different from S or base, they should have:
1. Left it at manual and not give the pdk option - they left base at pdk only, why not do the same as T
2. Add RAS as a standard equipment if it was important to the "ethos of T". They did add Sport Exhaust and Sport Chrono as standard.
3. If sunroof is not the preferred way to go, it should not be an option either.
4.Don't give the option to spec rear seats at all.
If T was truly as Porsche puts it forward, the options and selections should have been very limited to keep the essence of the T model. M4/M3 CS is a great example. It was a performance variant and buyers could only spec a color or ceramics. Everything else was pretty much the same. But then again, at one point it did not sell well and BMW discounted these almost $15K to $20K.
Reality is, Porsche wants people to buy a 911 regardless of base, T or S. As someone said, the true market is really the new bloke who just got his bonus, or someone who is looking to get into 911 and have the means for it. A buyer walking into the delaership wants sunroof but have no clue what RAS is. Why spec an option which you have no idea how it impacts vs a sunroof that we all have had it on almost every car. With all that said, would any of these options really make a big difference to your day to day driving? I don't think so.
Rennlist is a great place for Porsche enthusiasts (similar to bimmerpost in M3/M4 world). However, the enthusiasts I feel are always a minority in the grand scheme of things.
On a side note: When speccing T, I completely left RAS out as I thought that's not something I want on my first 911. But this thread is gonna make me regret it.
‘1. Left it at manual and not give the pdk option - they left base at pdk only, why not do the same as T 2. Add RAS as a standard equipment if it was important to the "ethos of T". They did add Sport Exhaust and Sport Chrono as standard. 3. If sunroof is not the preferred way to go, it should not be an option either. 4.Don't give the option to spec rear seats at all.’
#2 - Why is RAS part of the T ethos??
If anything it should be banned on the T as it adds weight and doesn’t add much (according to most reviews) other than tight driveways etc
#2 - Why is RAS part of the T ethos??
If anything it should be banned on the T as it adds weight and doesn’t add much (according to most reviews) other than tight driveways etc
By that logic, they should ban the stereo (base, Bose, Burm) and even AC.
Doesn't add much, other slightly better EQ than your smartphone speakers and cold air on hot days, respectively.
This is exactly what I mean. For every option, you can debate both sides. I added RAS as standard equipment because there were some posts that noted it should be key performance spec. Others have also said this is not required. Finally there was also a total extreme post where someone went to a porsche driving event where they were testing out RAS. The individual then pointed out that none of the vehicles had RAS on it that instructors agree with, but folks continued to rave about RAS.
02-18-2023, 01:26 AM
