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That roof is black, not CF
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The FIA had actually banned rear wheel steering before it was even tried out. I don't think it was ever used in actual racing. The teams that did test it out in the early 90s didn't find it made a huge difference but that it felt weird.
Here's an article on it: https://www.racefans.net/2007/03/22/...heel-steering/
I would think that rear wheel steering in 1993 is much different than in 2023 even if it's Formula 1. I do check the box myself though, but could live without it as well.
Here's an article on it: https://www.racefans.net/2007/03/22/...heel-steering/
I would think that rear wheel steering in 1993 is much different than in 2023 even if it's Formula 1. I do check the box myself though, but could live without it as well.
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Sorry it was early morning at dealership... service was open but no one from sales was there to get into the cars yet. Ill get better pics when I can
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It will be interesting to see the difference, if there is one.
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Very much agree on trying it out if possible. That is what I hope to do with a couple used 992s at my dealer with and without RAS. Keep in mind that RAS does nothing (no rear steering) between 39 and 51mph (I believe those are the numbers). Also, as speed approaches 39mph the RAS steering angle decreases. I do not know the gradient of decrease, but it is not a full cutover max rear steer to none at 39mph. I go back and forth on RAS seemingly every few days - now I am fairly certain I will not select RAS in favor of simplicity and less computer between me and the road. I mentioned before my 991 T did not have RAS and I never thought it needed to turn better - but then again I don't know what I was missing. No doubt RAS improves lap times, just like PDK.
Also, does RAS complicate any future suspension modifications or changes? Can you do full rear camber adjustments with RAS?
Sometimes I wonder how RAS will be seen on these cars in 20 or 30 years. I'm old enough to recall the early rear steer systems on some of the Japanese cars in the 80s/90s. While advanced at the time, now those are seen as crude systems that you might not want to maintain or repair and did not add a lot to the driving experience.
Also, does RAS complicate any future suspension modifications or changes? Can you do full rear camber adjustments with RAS?
Sometimes I wonder how RAS will be seen on these cars in 20 or 30 years. I'm old enough to recall the early rear steer systems on some of the Japanese cars in the 80s/90s. While advanced at the time, now those are seen as crude systems that you might not want to maintain or repair and did not add a lot to the driving experience.
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I'm in the minority here as I'm not a fan of RAS just like @Macboy . I have it on my current 992 and to me it makes the car feel unpredictable. Twice in the last year while mid corner I felt like I was about to lose the rear. Scary feeling and one time it was near or on a bump or expansion joint so it could have been compounded, but I took those corners faster in my 991.2T and never had that sensation. I'm not in the habit of trying to convince people either way and have held back saying anything in this thread but it's definitely not for me. Lastly my interpretation of the T is a pure driving machine. I'm leaving off as many nannies as I can. To me RAS is extra cost, extra weight, another thing that can go wrong, and it dilutes the driving experience. Again, my thoughts, not hating on anyone that wants it.
A GT3 has RAS, but at the moment a GT3 is more car than I need right now. I'll do my best to master the T and "earn" the privileged rationale to maybe order a GT3 in the future.
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As to RAS...i have it on my 3RS but wouldn't spec it on a T. I like the feel on track and how the car feels smaller but i don't think i would miss it.
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FYI for those in Northeast looking for allocations: Tough go of it past few days. ADM's of anywhere from 15K to 20K for the few slots available; otherwise long wait lists or no information. Also been told "only want to deal with someone who is very local to the dealer".
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A few good videos that cover all the 992 options (many n/a on carrera T) from Nick Murray. Some of his opinions are supported by some of the comments here, while some of the things he says might be a bit controversial for this group. But he does have lots of pics, video, details, and advice in the videos about the options that could be helpful...
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I had RAS on my first T (and both of my 991.2 GT3’s, of course). I immediately checked the RAS box for my 991.2 T using the same logic as Adam, and raised by some reviewers — that is, if it’s included on the GT3, then you need to add it on the Carrera. But I’m now starting to reconsider this line of reasoning for my 992 T. Other than full leather, I don’t have anything that adds weight; and I have multiple items that reduce weight. I’m now leaning toward skipping RAS and sticking with a focus on lighter without the additional RAS nanny.
While I see arguments for adding and skipping, I always thought the real benefit of RAS was track times — it’s surely not needed for road driving and I don’t care about park turning — so I found this post by Barkat03 interesting.
While I see arguments for adding and skipping, I always thought the real benefit of RAS was track times — it’s surely not needed for road driving and I don’t care about park turning — so I found this post by Barkat03 interesting.
RAS? Never had it won't miss what I don't have experience with. Not ordering.
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Hmm, good to know. I will be PPF'ing the entire car, and it will only see sunlight while actually driving (or at a show) since it lives in a garage. But that's good to know.
Oh, one more "con" is that I plan to put the PORSCHE motorsport over the top stripe on the car. If I get the roof, I would only put the strip on the hood I guess, especially since I want to get a stripe custom made to match the agate gray door stripe.
Oh, one more "con" is that I plan to put the PORSCHE motorsport over the top stripe on the car. If I get the roof, I would only put the strip on the hood I guess, especially since I want to get a stripe custom made to match the agate gray door stripe.
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And with no confirmed allocation I'm free to continue playing around with options for many months. I'm on two lists and was told I should be good when the next round of allocations come through (March+). We will see what happens.
For a T I feel like I want to cap it at $130K. Above $130K and for me, I'd get too close to a $160K GTS build.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PPBACTT5
Gentian blue
Carrera T Interior with Leather and Slate Grey Stitching
18-way seats
Model designation to 911
Roof Transport Prep
7-spd manual
Extended range tank
Ambient lighting
Heated steering wheel
For a T I feel like I want to cap it at $130K. Above $130K and for me, I'd get too close to a $160K GTS build.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PPBACTT5
Gentian blue
Carrera T Interior with Leather and Slate Grey Stitching
18-way seats
Model designation to 911
Roof Transport Prep
7-spd manual
Extended range tank
Ambient lighting
Heated steering wheel
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