Mike818

Which probably took all of 10 minutes with some hand tools. This whole idea of giving you less stuff for no less money is a real ballsy move by the OEM.

Wilder

Corrections:

1. I wrote the benefits and drawbacks of RAS. Interpreting that as biased is strange. As per above, I have nothing against RAS. I debated adding it to my car for weeks and checked the box a couple of times before deleting it. It's a great application for track. Not so much for the road-focused T. My decision is indeed my personal bias.

2. Suggesting that in order for weight to be considered unsprung needs to be rotating, tells me you have no idea what unsprung weight is. You may want to not only research the topic but also experiment with unsprung weight yourself so you can comment intelligently on the subject.

3. I went out of my way to indicate I don't know the total weight of RAS. Regardless, whether it's 10 or 20 or 30 lbs, adding that unsprung (yes, it is unsprung) weight to the rear with little benefit on a road-focused car doesn't make much sense, though I'm sure some will find a way to justify it.

4. The ST is not a "custom car". It's another variant of the 911 just like the T. The similarities between the T and the ST lie in that they both have the exact same focus: visceral, light weight road car. The difference is the degree to which they've executed that focus. One costs $116k. The other 2.5x more. That gives you a sense of the degree to which they are different. Therefore, pointing out that they kept the ST sans RAS to stay in line with the focus of the car (not just weight loss but visceral, rear-engined 911 feel) very much applies to the T since they share that same focus.

I own a 992T, a 7.2 GT3 with 4.0 LWFW, and I'm in line for an ST. I've never stalled my GT3 and doubt the ST will be "a burden in everyday driving" though unlike the T, it's not the tool for that. But feel welcome to share your personal experience owning 911s with LWFW, or the T so as not to assume you're just an armchair expert.

PS - I do agree with you about Aerokit.
PPS - My personal opinion and preference about RAS and Aerokit are not meant to offend those who optioned them.

Devon Racer

@gtrs09 Nice spec generally but I would not counter buckets if you propose doing long distance drives, after about an hour they become a pain the 4 Ways sport seat is ideal for most, but not me due to my thin build. If you propose loads of track work the buckets are a must.
The aero kit I guess is very American over here one would be laughed at trying to mirror every other boy racer in town,
The Titanium Grey engine cover is just paint and fake you will never see it same applies to the fake aluminum petrol cap.
I endorse your view on SV and LCA unless there is a specific need for them in your driving environment. Best Devon Racer.

tna3

You are right about the definition of unsprung weight and I do appreciate your correction. Having said that, I still believe that is the rotational unsprung weight which has exasperated effect of increased weight you describe. I read about it here: Unsprung weight

From the Porsche technical diagrams I do not see that RAS has added any rotational unsprung weight. Please feel free to point to other technical sources.

cgaites

Thank you! Will order one and see how well it works.

Wilder

The farther away from the axle, the larger the unsprung multiplier. Axle and suspension components are still unsprung, even though the unsprung multiplier will be less than say, tires. I'm not sure what you mean by "I do not see that RAS has added any rotational unsprung weight". The axle is the unsprung weight. RAS being heavier is the "add".

Again, what is your experience with unsprung weight? LWFW? None? Are you just reading technical data?

Devon Racer

@Wilder Agree 100% with your RAS & PDK opinions personally but don't lambast those who choose them.
I have spec'd the 18 ways after trying them in my loan car and the T I drove at Silverstone I am very slight of build and found that the bolsters of the back sides and seat sides held me much firmer in the seat for pressing on! For the reasons I stated in another post I didn't want the buckets. So was willing to take the weight penalty,
Though at my age back pain is always a prospect ??!! Best Devon Racer.

AdamIsAdam

Wait just a cotton picking minute here. Did someone poke fun at the Aero T? It's one thing to debate RWS, which I have and still debate getting it! LOL, but don't pick on my wing! Them's fighting words!

I got the Aero because I think it looks cool, stands out from others, and happens to make the car more rare (and some say it's lighter because it eliminates electric servos). A Python Green (one year only color) Aero? I know of only one other and he's located on another continent from me. I very well might have a one of one in the USA.

I was driving it today, really enjoying it. I'm out of garage space and considering selling it, but after today's drive, I might keep it.

In the end, they're all really great cars. It's more a matter of preferences. Unfortunately, nearly no one is in a position of being able to compare all options before buying. I would have LOVED to compare back to back. Oh well.

Dream in PTS

I never gave a moment’s consideration to adding RAS or Aerokit.

ECNJ

Congrats…991 T is sweet. Good move taking it to Topanga canyon. Back in the day, I’d take my dates to Inn of the 7th Ray so I could rip around there in my 300z TT and MK4 Supra.

Peeps that had 991 and 992 T tell me 991 exhaust sounds much better. That said, if you’re even considering an aftermarket exhaust, just do it! I str8 piped my 992T and can’t imagine my T without it now.

If u plan on no music in T then I’d suggest skip Bose. If music yes, get Bose. I recently heard in greater length this time as well as the Burmester in the T. Bose is decent, base system is bad. Bose will probably suffice for most. Burmester gets pretty loud. But the bass was lacking for me (not solid). I was itching to get back into my T to hear my bass. Disappointing for its price tag. If not looking for thumping solid bass, Bose should be enough. I now know that I would have upgraded the bass in both Bose and Burmester. I may be more unique in that I want car shaking bass. So, if solid bass is important to u, get the base system (or Bose) and add a high end sub. U can also improve the sounds from stock speakers by adding a DSP amp to drive them…

Dream in PTS

While I don’t find it preferable, thankfully its not so displeasing that it causes me nausea.

Wilder

I debated RAS a lot and believe it or not, my first spec was a tribute to the green 7.1 GT3RS, one of my all time favorite cars, so green with aero like yours but with black wheels. That long RAS write up is precisely to help those still ordering cars, knowing many of us agonized over certain options before freeze date and sometimes information was not as granular as one would hope.

Shortseller

Any suggestions?

ECNJ

V-Line

Shortseller

A glass sun roof has no place on a T version as far as I’m concerned. But love it in my SUV!

Backseats have no real practical purpose except they do make the interior look finished.