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What makes the rear engined 911 so optimal is that when you're braking ahead of a turn, you're effectively transferring the weight of the car from the rear toward the middle compared to the 718 which moves it from the middle toward the front and when you get on power in a 911, either on a straight or pulling of a corner, the weight is transferred completely to the rear
It seems that they left RAS out primarily to save weight (twice, once no RAS, and second, even lighter battery due to less amp requirements with no RAS) - "we wanted to make the car as light as possible", "it is not track oriented, it's a car to enjoy on the road" - aka "we consider the lower weight to be more important than the extra performance offered by the RAS".
Have no clue where the "For better road and canyon driving feel with more driver involvement, skip it"comes from?! It is more of a speculation on your side than a fact. Preuninger emphasizes that they went for the biggest weight savings possible, even sacrificing ultimate performance/lap times for a lighter road car. Actually, by leaving RAS out, they will make it easier for the driver to reach the chassis limit in a road legal manner, which would be impossible with the performance level increase offered by the RAS.
Wow this popped up from way back…
Just like you said about PDK vs manual from your track experience, the performance level advantage from PDK makes sense for a track car but a manual is more enjoyable (no I’m not going to find an exact quote from you but that was the impression I had from reading your post). Regarding RAS, I’ll go back to paraphrasing what he absolutely said - the performance from RAS added weight (he said 10 kg) so they eliminated it. Also from him, their vision was to make the most entertaining and involving 911 to date. I read that as a more entertaining and involving 911 doesn’t need RAS. Not a track car means enjoying it where? Not autobahn or highways. Must be on legal roads that are curvy. In my area, I drive to canyon roads for that.
I will also say he might have mis-spoke in that video. There’s one bit at 1:34 where he says it has bits of the comtemporary 911T in it. He may have meant it, or may not. My guess is he probably means the GT3 ‘T’. Maybe he meant GTS since a few declared those best? Or maybe we are dissecting this too much. It’s just an interview meant to sell cars and this is the latest thing to attract $$.
I’m on a list for one that I know I’ll never get but if I do the money is there. My prelim build for those interested.
I'm now officially the owner of my very own T! After nearly a year of waiting, I took delivery of my Racing Yellow 2024 this afternoon. Unfortunately, the drive home was ~7 miles in both pouring rain and rush hour traffic. So, no real driving impressions to share yet. All I can say is that the car looks amazing, and the cabin feels a lot like my recently departed 997.2 - but from the future It is supposed to be sunny tomorrow, so I can't wait to get out and drive it.
Here are some pictures of the delivery:
At home after a few wet slow miles:
In the garage with her little yellow sister:
Many more miles, adventures, and pictures to come!
I'm now officially the owner of my very own T! After nearly a year of waiting, I took delivery of my Racing Yellow 2024 this afternoon. Unfortunately, the drive home was ~7 miles in both pouring rain and rush hour traffic. So, no real driving impressions to share yet. All I can say is that the car looks amazing, and the cabin feels a lot like my recently departed 997.2 - but from the future It is supposed to be sunny tomorrow, so I can't wait to get out and drive it.
Here are some pictures of the delivery:
At home after a few wet slow miles:
In the garage with her little yellow sister:
Many more miles, adventures, and pictures to come!
Congrats - looks stunning and from Denver too! We should put a gathering together and head up into the canyons to knock down break in miles. @merrion13 ?
I will also say he might have mis-spoke in that video. There’s one bit at 1:34 where he says it has bits of the comtemporary 911T in it. He may have meant it, or may not. My guess is he probably means the GT3 ‘T’. Maybe he meant GTS since a few declared those best? Or maybe we are dissecting this too much. It’s just an interview meant to sell cars and this is the latest thing to attract $$.
I’m on a list for one that I know I’ll never get but if I do the money is there. My prelim build for those interested.
No, you're right, he did say "from the T". It's called the ST (sport touring) because it's a mixture of the running gear of the S (sport) and the weight reduction of the T (touring). I'm referring to the original ST of course.
Your ST looks great. I'm 1st on the list at my dealer but my dealer gets very few GT allocations so I'm not getting excited about it. When I spec'd mine you couldn't get PTS without the heritage package. Glad the changed that as I'd want the black interior and I'm considering going black again but it's nice to consider PTS. Love your bold choice.
There are countless reasons why car industry designers & engineers regard the 911 as the pinnacle of the sports car world! I waited 20 years to buy a MT sports car again and my mind was simply full of the 911. I think there are quite a few of us here that could easily afford a Lambo, Ferrari, etc instead but choose our T instead. Heck, buying a car in cash is cheap compared to investing in some real estate. Below are some excerpts from an article I read recently discussing the 911. It covers some of the discussions I missed while away for a day or two.
Porsche 911s have always been easy to drive at low speeds thanks to their comfortable, opulent cabin and excellent visibility. They also have a level of durability on par with a family car. They could easily keep up with much more costly vehicles when unrestrained. Whatever the year or model, there should be at least one Porsche 911 on your bucket list that you'd give your right arm for.
The 911's rear engine layout is attractive for two reasons. First and foremost, no other automobile can elicit such a strong emotional response from the driver. Rear-wheel traction is substantial and sticky, while the front-wheel feel is light and shifts depending on where your right foot is planted. The car's agility, twist, and traction are all sensational, particularly in later generations. Communications are alive and well throughout the chassis. If you overdo anything, there's no turning back; similarly, driving calls for complete dedication in exchange for a life-changing experience.
Five decades of racing glory have been enjoyed by the Porsche 911, which competed in the Rally Monte Carlo a year after its introduction and won the event three years later. 1973 saw the triumph of the Porsche 911 Carrera RSR in Targa Florio, Daytona 24 Hours, and the 12 Hours of Sebring, while 1979 saw the triumph of the Porsche 935 at Le Mans. In other words, owning a 911 is like buying a piece of racing history.
FYI, Porsche of Wilmington has photos of a customer order/sold Shark Blue T with Racing Yellow deviated stitching, belts, dials, SD Package in gloss black, gloss window trim, black wheels, PDLS+, and Exclusive taillights. Edit: It is also PDK.
There are countless reasons why car industry designers & engineers regard the 911 as the pinnacle of the sports car world! I waited 20 years to buy a MT sports car again and my mind was simply full of the 911. I think there are quite a few of us here that could easily afford a Lambo, Ferrari, etc instead but choose our T instead. Heck, buying a car in cash is cheap compared to investing in some real estate. Below are some excerpts from an article I read recently discussing the 911. It covers some of the discussions I missed while away for a day or two.
Porsche 911s have always been easy to drive at low speeds thanks to their comfortable, opulent cabin and excellent visibility. They also have a level of durability on par with a family car. They could easily keep up with much more costly vehicles when unrestrained. Whatever the year or model, there should be at least one Porsche 911 on your bucket list that you'd give your right arm for.
The 911's rear engine layout is attractive for two reasons. First and foremost, no other automobile can elicit such a strong emotional response from the driver. Rear-wheel traction is substantial and sticky, while the front-wheel feel is light and shifts depending on where your right foot is planted. The car's agility, twist, and traction are all sensational, particularly in later generations. Communications are alive and well throughout the chassis. If you overdo anything, there's no turning back; similarly, driving calls for complete dedication in exchange for a life-changing experience.
Five decades of racing glory have been enjoyed by the Porsche 911, which competed in the Rally Monte Carlo a year after its introduction and won the event three years later. 1973 saw the triumph of the Porsche 911 Carrera RSR in Targa Florio, Daytona 24 Hours, and the 12 Hours of Sebring, while 1979 saw the triumph of the Porsche 935 at Le Mans. In other words, owning a 911 is like buying a piece of racing history.
I agree with everything here. Note that much of those statements are emotional as much as they are mechanical. The 911 is as much emotional as any car ever made. Very few cars have been stirring emotions for as many years. What other cars have been great for so long? Corvette for sure. Mustang? (There were bad years, ie, Mustang II), VW Bug (emotional but not sports car), Cobra? (Still sexy but only 1,000 ever made new). Cars are as much about emotion as they are about enjoyment and thrills.
I love driving my CGTS probably more than my T, but the 911 stirs something inside of me deeper.
I love driving my CGTS probably more than my T, but the 911 stirs something inside of me deeper.
Edited. Yeah emotions play a big role. My next paragraph with help with both emotions and make ur T a tiny bit lighter and slightly more powerful. The article didn’t get into the mechanical details but having the rear engine is the ultimate for traction / grip, good for weight transfer (i.e. for braking), etc. etc.
A Cobra? Rumbler? Ha, told u once u upgrade ur exhaust you’ll drive ur T more! Seriously, take ur time to research the right one for u. It changes the fun factor significantly for people like us!
Time to go for weekend drive in my T now. Good weather upcoming in NY/NJ!
The 911 is not the widowmaker. The widowmaker is the 911 turbo, and it earned that name because the snappy turbos make it a handful, especially when exiting corners.
Only you can answer that, the value is what you decide it is.
My T build was $144k trying to restrain myself and it's very close to this one in spec. I think with the cost increases it's not unreasonable and you won't have the highest specced T as others are doing PTS colors and will probably come in a good bit higher. If you can swing it and no markup, do it.
I find it funny that the 8VH option on the build sheet is pulling the Taycan glacier blue tail light description. That's correct for the 911 option code, just wrong description.
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agreed it’s value lies within what does the individual value it but in my opinion and emphasis on “ opinion “ at a certain dollar amount I’m looking for an s or gts
my build was 134k ish , that’s where I felt the value in this model was peak . Kinda take the same approach as not wanting to buy the nicest house on the block , much more value in making it nicer without pricing yourself outa the neighborhood
08-25-2023, 09:55 PM
Or maybe we are dissecting this too much. It’s just an interview meant to sell cars and this is the latest thing to attract $$.
It is supposed to be sunny tomorrow, so I can't wait to get out and drive it.
